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Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:17 PM
I'm copying the posts over from the old forum.

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:18 PM
Unsolved mass murder of single mother, two of her children and the son's friend. Fascinating.

http://www.keddiemurdersmovie.com/forum.htm


www.cabin28.com


Note: A 12 year old boy, a 10 year old boy and a 5 year old boy were left alive.

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:18 PM
Ohhh......I was so excited to see this case being discussed today. I've done a LOT of reading about it this summer. Here are some other links to sites with information and/or discussion about the Keddie Murders.


http://keddiewhy.freeforums.org/index.php
This is a recently created forum discussing the murders.

http://keddiemurdersfilm.com/
You can watch deleted scenes and parts of the documentary here. The documentary has recently been re-released with never-before-seen footage and is available throught that site as well.

http://www.phpbbcity.com/forum/viewforum.p...&mforum=cabin28
This forum is interesting because the older posts contain comments by:

Marilyn Smartt (Gypsy) - the mother of the 12 yo (Justin) who was spending the night in the murder cabin, wife of Marty (Martin) Smart a suspect in the case, and later girlfriend of Wade Meeks who was quite a bit younger than she was at the time.
Sheila Sharp (Sassy) - The surviving daughter of Sue. Sheila was the one who discovered the bodies.
Glenna Meeks (Richard'sMom) - the mother of Richard and Wade Meeks whom some consider to be suspects.
Richard - Richard Meeks, who was a boyfriend of Sheila. Several months before the murders, Sheila had given up her and Richard's daughter for adoption. Some consider the baby a motive for Richard to have committed the murders. On a side note, Sheila and Richard have reunited in recent years and are now living together.

http://cabin28.com/OldMessageBoard.htm
Link to an old message board about the case.

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:19 PM
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Here are links so you can watch the Cabin 28 documentary:

No. 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP3XyF48DHA&feature=related


No. 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t91tiG27XKw&feature=related

No. 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t91tiG27XKw&feature=related

No. 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai5pL5Ktvzw&feature=related

No. 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmiFellqoY&feature=related

No. 6 and final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT8O7Yh8RBw&feature=related

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:19 PM
Interesting link from the findadeath forum from one of their members:

http://asylumeclectica.com/asylum/sightseer/us/ca/keddie.htm

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:20 PM
I found this website, which is interesting. I'll post more as I find them:

Unsolved: The Keddie Murders

5/26/08 by True Crime Weblog Admin (Steve Huff)


In the coming weeks I will be re-visiting some crime stories I've covered on this and other blogs in the past. I will sometimes re-post old entries from old sites with updates, and will write new posts as well. This post is, in a loose way, part of that effort. When I first referenced the horrific Keddie Murders some 3 years ago, it was really just in passing; the murders of the Groene family in May, 2005 by serial killer Joseph Edward Duncan III (see the best resource on the Web relevant to Duncan and his crimes here) resembled the Keddie Murders in many respects. There was ultimately a huge difference between the two crimes -- Duncan was arrested and admitted to what he did. The Keddie Murders remain unsolved.

I decided to write a post about that horrific night in Cabin 28 because this blog has recently seen a spate of search referrals about the Keddie case. I imagine this is due to the fact that a movie titled The Strangers premieres on May 30. It stars Liv Tyler and Scott Speedman and according to Wikipedia, may be based in part on the Keddie Murders. I doubt the movie was actually inspired by any one crime. The 'inspired by real events' tag is usually more of a marketing gimmick than anything else. Still -- any new attention to this unsolved case is a good thing. You're about to see why.

way, way more at:

http://www.truecrimeweblog.com/2008/05/uns...ie-murders.html

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:20 PM
This website was interesting too. Here's a post I copied from there:

Re: Keddie Murders
Jun 5, 2006 9:52 PM Report Abuse
I just tried posting to this so here goes again...some info on the Keddie Murders, unfortunately nothing already not known but for those who are unfamiliar...

Then came April 11, 1981.

Sometime between 9 p.m. and 10 p.m. that day, 15-year-old John Sharp and his buddy, 17-year-old Dana Wingate, were seen hitchhiking from Quincy to Keddie Cabin #28. John had been living there for months with his 36-year-old mother, Glenna Sharp -- and once the two boys walked through the door, police say, the horror began.

A pair of killers either went in with the boys or were waiting with Glenna Sharp, and they tied up all three with duct tape and electrical wire. Soon after, John's 13-year-old sister, Tina, showed up and was bound, too.

What followed was a night of torture.

By the time the killers left 10 hours later, they had used steak knives and a claw hammer to such effect that the victims were barely recognizable.

"Whoever did this stabbed the victims so violently they bent one knife totally double from the force," said Sheriff's Patrol Commander Rod DeCrona. "They stabbed and pounded on everything in sight -- the walls, the people, the furniture. Everything."

He shuddered at the memory of first walking into the murder scene. "There was blood sprayed absolutely everywhere," DeCrona said. "You knew right away we were involved with a psychopath."

The carnage was only discovered the next morning by John's 14-year-old sister, Sheila, who had been at a sleepover next door. To the enduring surprise of police, nobody outside the charnel house had heard a thing.

And the mystery only deepened: Not only was the body of Tina, most likely killed at the scene, missing -- but three near-toddlers sleeping in one bedroom had been amazingly left untouched.

Tina's severed head was found three years later by a bottle-digger, 50 miles downhill at a waterfall. One of the children in the bedroom -- two were Sharp brothers, the other a play-pal -- remembered enough so police could make a sketch of two killers, but the boy was so young the picture's accuracy is considered questionable.

Thousands of leads and suspects have been picked over since then by deputies, the FBI and state investigators -- but nothing panned out, DeCrona said. A timeline of the case dominates three walls of the sheriff's office, tips still come in, and DNA samples were sent to the state crime lab just two months ago, but nobody's holding his breath.

"Usually in a crime like this, the killers get sloppy and leave more behind, " said DeCrona, sighing. "I wish it were that simple. We have no motive, no suspects."

Dana's father, Gary Wingate, thinks there were so many police agencies involved that they "stumbled over each other and fouled up the case." But he tries not to stew about it. He never even calls the Sharp family -- who declined requests through intermediaries to be interviewed.

"Nobody has the faintest idea who killed my son, so I long ago had to let this thing go or it would eat me alive," said Wingate, who lives near Quincy. "I don't think about it, I don't go to that ghost town and I have no idea if ghosts exist there.

"But I do know this. There is evil in this world, and evil was in that house that night."

Ashley Conte and her neighbors think the evil is still there.

People began to shun the resort after the killings, and within a year it was empty. The owners put Keddie up for sale in 1984 for $1.8 million -- and nobody bit.

Over the next decade or so, it rotted into a refuge for squatters and hobos, and the county condemned most of the buildings. But in the past few years longtime owner Gary Mollath has gone on a furious restoration campaign that has the old resort looking pretty much as it did in 1981 -- sans people.

He's rented out a couple of the best cabins, and says he hopes to rehab the rest enough to reopen in a year.


more at:

http://boards.aetv.com/thread.jspa?threadI...ageID=700010340

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:21 PM
History
Keddie was named for surveyor Arthur W. Keddie, who surveyed the railroad cut through the mountains in Plumas County in the early 1900s.

The Keddie Murders took place on April 11, 1981, at the Keddie Resort. Three grisly murders were committed in cabin #28. Glenna Sharp, 36, her 15 year old son John and 17 year old family friend Dana Wingate were bludgeoned and stabbed by assailants still unidentified. Sharp's 13 year old daughter Tina was missing from the scene when the bodies were discovered by 14 year old Sheila Sharp the following morning. Sheila had been spending the night with a friend. Glenna Sharp's two youngest boys and another boy, toddlers at the time, had been spared and were found safe in another room of the cabin. Ultimately, Tina Sharp's remains were discovered three years later when a bottle digger found parts of her remains 95 miles away near a water fall. In the years following the murders the Keddie Resort fell into disrepair and most buildings were condemned. Many around the area talked of the cabin being haunted. Cabin #28 was eventually razed in the summer of 2004, either to deter ghost hunters or to make way for a new generation of Keddie Resort buildings. The case remains unsolved. Some say that the site is still haunted and that the killers are still rampant in the area. [3][4]


more:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Keddie,_California

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:21 PM
Blogs about: Keddie Murders

http://wordpress.com/tag/keddie-murders/

Jeana(DP)
08-04-2008, 07:24 PM
Below are various posts from JQ members at that thread:

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Good summary. I believe Justin posted at some point on www.Cabin28.com

Justin told Josh of www.keddiemurdersfilm.com that he was writing a book that would reveal the true murderers.

Marty's brother posts on both sites claiming Marty and Bo's innocence.


I believe Justin and Ricky Sharpe probably know who the killers are. The question is why the three boys were left alive in my mind. I vote for Bo and Marty being the killers myself. Justin was Marty's stepson.
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PS If you want an odd duck read Craig's posts. Craig was a college student in Quincy at the time of the murders. He claims to have given John and Dana a ride to Keddie on the day of the murders. He is bizarre, illiterate and attention seeking. I don't believe anything he says!

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Me either!!

No way he waited 20 some-odd years to proclaim that HE was the one to give the boys a ride home that evening! I think he is just one of those people who relish being personally involved in a crime, no matter how peripherally.

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WHY???

Why was all the evidence destroyed in 2004?

why no DNA analysis?

why is 'Bo' still at liberty?

poor little Tina. poor all of the victims.

well that documentary has me crying about it all. about the heinous crime and about the incompetence of L.E.

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I have not watched the documentary yet (at work) so excuse me if this was addressed but how does anyone know the killers were there for ten hours? Were any of the victims raped?
From what I know I vote for two guys - probably Marty and Bo - being really hopped up on meth and/or coke.

I remember a few months ago reading a forum on one of the sites probably Cabin 28 and was struck at how some of the posters who were related to this case were seemingly........well I think Vamp said it best......illiterate and bizarre some of them were.

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Supposedly there is still blood evidence. Back in 1981, it was determined only Type O blood was in the cabin. (It didn't help because all the victims were type O.) SUPPOSEDLY, the blood is now being tested for DNA. (With renewed interest in the case, those incompetents!) Josh, the maker of the documentary, is in touch with the police and will announce new evidence.

Vamp
08-05-2008, 01:58 PM
I read on Josh's site that he has made numerous requests of the FBI. They have been cooperative. (Old investigators have contacted him.) Unfortunately, they returned all notes, evidence etc to the local sheriff. The local sheriff has done next to nothing. Apparently, the victims' daughter and sister will have to file some kind of complaint with/and or against the prosecutor.

In the meantime, one of the suspect's brothers, Martysbrother, is swearing and acting like a jerk on Cabin28.com

Kellee
08-05-2008, 03:59 PM
Vamp ~

Marty's Brother can be very cordial or he can be the biggest jerk around. You never know! Unfortunately, his inability to communicate on a civil level does absolutely nothing to further his cause!

I hope Sheila follows through with a complaint. I feel like this case has the potential to be solved if someone would actively work it.

Vamp
08-05-2008, 04:04 PM
I realize Martysbrother believes in his brother's innocence and I am not convinced about any one theory yet. He has some good ideas. (like the Grand Jury.) Cussing people out does not help his cause. :soapbox:

Kellee
08-05-2008, 05:37 PM
I realize Martysbrother believes in his brother's innocence and I am not convinced about any one theory yet. He has some good ideas. (like the Grand Jury.) Cussing people out does not help his cause. :soapbox:

You are right! I haven't registered at Cabin28. Those people skeer me!! I'll just sit back and read quietly!!

Vamp
08-06-2008, 07:45 PM
I actually registered today! I am trying to be very cordial. I am there as Vamp. I do agree with Marty's Brother about the Grand Jury. Until people are forced to testify, nothing will be done in this case. I am sick of all the theories being rehashed a million ways.

Kellee
08-06-2008, 10:53 PM
The Marty/Bo theory is the only one that 1/2 way makes sense, but even it has problems. Marilyn says that she saw them at 2 and they were burning something (though she later changed that story) but they both still had on the clothes they were wearing earlier. If they had butchered those people they should have been covered in blood.

Kellee
08-06-2008, 10:56 PM
A burning question in my mind is "What time did Marty and Bo leave for Reno?" The bodies were discovered about 7:30ish. Marty and Bo were still up at 2:00 a.m., but Justin, in the documentary, said that his mother was alone when he went home. Also, where was Casey, Justin's brother? I don't recall ever seeing him mentioned.

Vamp
08-07-2008, 04:19 PM
A burning question in my mind is "What time did Marty and Bo leave for Reno?" The bodies were discovered about 7:30ish. Marty and Bo were still up at 2:00 a.m., but Justin, in the documentary, said that his mother was alone when he went home. Also, where was Casey, Justin's brother? I don't recall ever seeing him mentioned.

I also wonder where Tina was kept. Marty and Bo didn't have transportation so if they did it, they would need help.


My big question of the murders is WHY? Also why were the three boys left alive?
What do the boys remember?
Why haven't they come forward?

Kellee
08-07-2008, 06:53 PM
I also wonder where Tina was kept. Marty and Bo didn't have transportation so if they did it, they would need help.


My big question of the murders is WHY? Also why were the three boys left alive?
What do the boys remember?
Why haven't they come forward?

I know - it doesn't make sense that someone would brutally murder 3 people, leave 3 people alive, and kidnap and murder another! It's crazy.

Vamp
08-07-2008, 08:34 PM
I give up on the Cabin28 board. They all seem to attack each other. I don't see any logical cohesion to many of the threads. My impatience is worn thin.

Kellee
08-07-2008, 08:44 PM
I give up on the Cabin28 board. They all seem to attack each other. I don't see any logical cohesion to many of the threads. My impatience is worn thin.

LOL. Bless you for trying though - you're a stronger woman than I. I'm steering well clear of there except for guest reading!

Vamp
08-08-2008, 09:35 AM
Bless you, Kellee for being a wise woman. :wave: I am back to lurking!!

Vamp
08-08-2008, 05:50 PM
Josh has said on his forum that Justin was hypnotized again in the last few years. Apparently, he named Marty as one of the killers.

Vamp
08-08-2008, 05:52 PM
..finally, I have heard from two reliable sources that Justin has recently undergone more hypnosis...and once again, he named his stepfather as one of the killers.

If only Justin would handle this the right way. And I wonder if my recent question to the PCSO about Justin is the reason why they have, once again, stopped communication. -Josh

Kellee
08-08-2008, 06:14 PM
Josh also said that he had an interview with Casey wherein Casey describes the abuse Marty would heap on them when they were kids - physical, mental, throwing knives at them, etc. Josh said that Casey's demeanor during his description of the abuse led him to believe that Casey was entirely truthful.

I wonder what question Josh asked PCSO about Justin. I must have missed it if he mentioned it earlier and that forum doesn't have a search function (which is frustrating.)

Vamp
08-09-2008, 06:59 PM
Josh also said that he had an interview with Casey wherein Casey describes the abuse Marty would heap on them when they were kids - physical, mental, throwing knives at them, etc. Josh said that Casey's demeanor during his description of the abuse led him to believe that Casey was entirely truthful.

I wonder what question Josh asked PCSO about Justin. I must have missed it if he mentioned it earlier and that forum doesn't have a search function (which is frustrating.)
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Josh is supposed to be posting more Justin video tonight. It seems like Justin passed a lie detector test when he was a kid. (when he first named Marty as one of the killers.) Now I am wondering who the other killer was? Bo? or someone else? Did Marilyn act as a aider and abettor?

Buttercup
08-09-2008, 11:41 PM
Was Dana a guy or girl? I can't tell from the name, but the pic looks like a girl.

Kellee
08-10-2008, 12:28 AM
Was Dana a guy or girl? I can't tell from the name, but the pic looks like a girl.

Dana was a boy.

Vamp
08-10-2008, 10:49 AM
Plumas County really didn't have much sense in who they employed:


PLUMAS COUNTY EMPLOYED ACCUSED SERIAL KILLER
Author: R-S staff, news services; RECORD SEARCHLIGHT

Silveria is being investigated in connection with an unsolved murder of four people, making him a suspect in at least 17 slayings.

QUINCY - When he lived in Plumas County in the mid-1980s, Robert Joseph Silveria was known as ''Tattoo'' - a quiet, courteous man who worked as a county employee and decorated the envelopes he mailed with beautifully intricate drawings.

Today Silveria is a suspect in at least 17 murders, including a grisly quadruple slaying in the Plumas County railroad town of Keddie that has just been added to the growing list of homicides.

Plumas County Sheriff Don Stoy said Saturday that Silveria, 37, is under investigation for the 1981 murders of Glenna Sharp, 36, John Sharp, 15, Dana Wingate, 17, and Tina Sharp, 12.

A railroad drifter arrested March 2 in Roseville and charged with the murder of William A. Pettit Jr., 39, in Millersburg, Ore., Silveria has reportedly confessed to murders throughout the West.

Also, Silveria claims he killed a man on a train while passing through Shasta County in October and dumped the corpse in a body of water - probably Lake Shasta. Shasta County authorities have found no evidence to support his claim.

Stoy said Plumas County officials questioned the suspect Saturday about his connection to the Keddie murders, which have gone unsolved for 15 years.

''He wouldn't be the first one to confess only to have (the confession) fall apart,'' Stoy said.

Glenna Sharp and her son, John, and Wingate, a family friend, were found bludgeoned and stabbed to death in Sharp's cabin while two younger Sharp children slept unharmed in the next room. Tina Sharp, 12, was missing for 18 months until her body was found in a remote part of the Plumas National Forest.

A former Boy Scout who grew up in a comfortable home in San Jose, Silveria's earliest known connection with Plumas County was in 1979 when he was arrested for burglary and auto theft. He was convicted of vehicle theft and receiving stolen property in 1982 and sentenced to three years in state prison.

Shortly after he was paroled Dec. 27, 1983, Silveria became a Plumas County employee. Hired by former county fair Manager C.W. Adams, he began work at the fairgrounds in Quincy.

Soon, however, he was moved to the Lake Almanor area to be caretaker of the Chester airport. In addition to pumping gas from a county-owned airport tank, Silveria collected fees for gas sales and for vehicles parked at the county facility by airport users.

Silveria's airport job ended suddenly after then-Plumas County Supervisor Albert ''Curly'' Glines stopped by the county building where Silveria lived.

''He was gone and so was the county car,'' said Glines.

County officials soon discovered they were also missing money. The receipts Silveria turned in for gas sales did not add up to the amount of gas pumped.

Silveria was arrested at his mother's home in Arkansas and returned to California.

Kellee
08-10-2008, 12:05 PM
Very interesting, Vamp.

I think that Silveria WAS investigated and someone determined that he was actually in jail during the time of the murders.

I made a quick tour through the keddiemurders site last night and saw that someone supposedly had a copy of Marty's SSI application for disability. Josh posted excerpts and it was noted that Marty was hospitalized in a psychiatric facility twice - the first in 1981!!!! I'd be interested to know exactly when in 1981.

Vamp
08-10-2008, 02:01 PM
Very interesting, Vamp.

I think that Silveria WAS investigated and someone determined that he was actually in jail during the time of the murders.

I made a quick tour through the keddiemurders site last night and saw that someone supposedly had a copy of Marty's SSI application for disability. Josh posted excerpts and it was noted that Marty was hospitalized in a psychiatric facility twice - the first in 1981!!!! I'd be interested to know exactly when in 1981.

I find that VERY interesting. Does it mention what his diagnosis was?

If he was off his meds and high on LSD or cocaine that could explain the killings.
Sue rejected his friend Bo sexually perhaps. Or Marty.

Perhaps the boys did steal drugs or saw something they shouldn't have.

It's hard for me to come up with a single probable reason for the killings. The Motive is the hardest part for me.

Jhancock
08-13-2008, 02:24 PM
Hi all,

This is Josh, the person behind the Keddie Murders documentary and www.keddiemurdersfilm.com. I just wanted to thank those of you here who are having (and hopefully, will continue to have) an intelligent and respectful discussion about these unsolved homicides. Thank you, too, for watching the documentary. There are tons of deleted scenes on our site, as well as new interviews added regularly in the forums. I encourage you to post in our forums if you like; they are moderated by me and kept civil and polite. Vamp, I happened to see your posts on cabin28.com; the manner in which you were turned off from that site is a perfect example of the bizarre arrogance and insinuations that have surrounded this case from day one. At www.keddiemurdersfilm.com, you are welcome, as are all of you. Either way, thank you again to all those here. If you have purchased the DVD, I thank you even more, because all proceeds go toward pursuing this case. I'd be happy to answer any questions here or there.
Sincerely,
Josh

Vamp
08-13-2008, 03:31 PM
From Josh's forum, Josh posted the last two emails he received from Justin:

Justin's email: For someone who is trying to solve this whole thing you seem to be quite a sceptic, either that or your trying to push my buttons and get me to reveal my story. Its all good though cause the story when we are finished with our project.
It took alot of time and effort to unlock my memory, and I don't have to answers to you or anyone else. You all have your project and we have ours. I think that by uncovering the truth won't bring any conviction because of the blundering fools at the sherriffs office up here don't want to look any worse than they already do, so it will only be a story at this point.
But all of the years of pinned up memories have been released and I can move on mentally and emotionally.

Justin's last email: I don't mean to be hostile, but this is a very sore subject and without question we won't receive alot of support on this project.
I would be highly interested in your DVD, book, and any info on me it always helps to know what kind of dirt people may have on you. Once we are finished with the book and in the process of getting published I would be happy to share info with you, but you need to understand that leaking what we have now would only hurt us not help us. So be patient and the truth will come out. And maybe just maybe we can solve this once and for all, as well as release the ghosts in Keddie. I'm sure they would like to get out of there.
You can send what you want to [address deleted].

Vamp
08-13-2008, 03:32 PM
Hi all,

This is Josh, the person behind the Keddie Murders documentary and www.keddiemurdersfilm.com. I just wanted to thank those of you here who are having (and hopefully, will continue to have) an intelligent and respectful discussion about these unsolved homicides. Thank you, too, for watching the documentary. There are tons of deleted scenes on our site, as well as new interviews added regularly in the forums. I encourage you to post in our forums if you like; they are moderated by me and kept civil and polite. Vamp, I happened to see your posts on cabin28.com; the manner in which you were turned off from that site is a perfect example of the bizarre arrogance and insinuations that have surrounded this case from day one. At www.keddiemurdersfilm.com, you are welcome, as are all of you. Either way, thank you again to all those here. If you have purchased the DVD, I thank you even more, because all proceeds go toward pursuing this case. I'd be happy to answer any questions here or there.
Sincerely,
Josh

Thanks, Josh for coming here and your pursuit of justice. Cabin28 is a scary place. I will come and join your site in a few weeks when I am back from vacation.

Kellee
08-13-2008, 05:41 PM
Hi Josh!

I'm happy that you dropped in to see us! I applaud the effort you have made on behalf of the Sharp and Wingate families to see this case solved.

Vamp
09-11-2008, 02:27 PM
A new post on Josh's site that provides new, credible info, IMO.

http://www.keddiemurdersmovie.com/forum.htm?forumID=2273252&page=1&topicID=1427293

Vamp
09-24-2008, 07:14 PM
"New" info for what it is worth:

http://www.phpbbcity.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=960&mforum=cabin28

michelle
09-25-2008, 06:20 AM
I am so into this case but I really need to read more about it.

ScribbleMuse
10-19-2008, 10:25 PM
Thanks so much for the info and links! I've been interested in this case since I first heard about it when I tried to figure out what "true story" The Strangers was supposedly based on. As usual, life fills up so much time that it's hard to get back to other interests! I am constantly astounded at the violence that humanity can produce and this is a prime example. :(

Lisha

michelle
10-24-2008, 10:38 AM
I started to watch the movie but really chickened out. I heard this story was fake like the Blair Witch Project? I have read articles on it and I am sure its not but many people I know that see it or read about it said its not real.

Vamp
10-24-2008, 11:00 AM
The Keddie Murders are very real. I haven't seen the movie the Strangers but from what I hear, it doesn't resemble the Keddie Murders at all.

Michelle, watch Josh's documentary on the murders at www.keddiemurdersmovie.com It is very informative.

michelle
10-24-2008, 12:31 PM
The Keddie Murders are very real. I haven't seen the movie the Strangers but from what I hear, it doesn't resemble the Keddie Murders at all.

Michelle, watch Josh's documentary on the murders at www.keddiemurdersmovie.com It is very informative.
Thanks I was checking out his website, he has lots of info.
It sounds like the victims may have known the murderers.

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10-27-2008, 08:59 AM
The Keddie Murders are very real. I haven't seen the movie the Strangers but from what I hear, it doesn't resemble the Keddie Murders at all.
Michelle, watch Josh's documentary on the murders at www.keddiemurdersmovie.com It is very informative.

emphasis on the "at all"...

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10-27-2008, 09:05 AM
I started to watch the movie but really chickened out. I heard this story was fake like the Blair Witch Project? I have read articles on it and I am sure its not but many people I know that see it or read about it said its not real.

i'm confused....the strangers is a real movie..it's nothing like the blair witch project...TS was "inspired" by true events, so they say..i watched an interview with the writer, & he said it's a terror movie, more than a horror.....i think that describes it perfect....you should watch it...tis the season (~~)
(that's suppose to be a pumpkin)

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10-27-2008, 09:12 AM
Hi all,

This is Josh, the person behind the Keddie Murders documentary and www.keddiemurdersfilm.com. I just wanted to thank those of you here who are having (and hopefully, will continue to have) an intelligent and respectful discussion about these unsolved homicides. Thank you, too, for watching the documentary. There are tons of deleted scenes on our site, as well as new interviews added regularly in the forums. I encourage you to post in our forums if you like; they are moderated by me and kept civil and polite. Vamp, I happened to see your posts on cabin28.com; the manner in which you were turned off from that site is a perfect example of the bizarre arrogance and insinuations that have surrounded this case from day one. At www.keddiemurdersfilm.com, you are welcome, as are all of you. Either way, thank you again to all those here. If you have purchased the DVD, I thank you even more, because all proceeds go toward pursuing this case. I'd be happy to answer any questions here or there.
Sincerely,
Josh

hi!...i hope you're still checking in here...can a person still purchase the DVD?...same email addy?....i read up on this after watching a movie...it makes me think of the Groene murders up in Idaho :(

& welcome to JQ :)

michelle
10-27-2008, 09:14 AM
i'm confused....the strangers is a real movie..it's nothing like the blair witch project...TS was "inspired" by true events, so they say..i watched an interview with the writer, & he said it's a terror movie, more than a horror.....i think that describes it perfect....you should watch it...tis the season (~~)
(that's suppose to be a pumpkin)
I watched it and it was freaky! I was sitting on the edge of my seat! It is a terror!

close
10-27-2008, 09:35 AM
I watched it and it was freaky! I was sitting on the edge of my seat! It is a terror!

i don't know if you watched the "directors cut" or not....i'm not sure if anything was left out or not, but the scene where they're in the chairs really scared me....it was hard to watch....

michelle
10-27-2008, 09:48 AM
i don't know if you watched the "directors cut" or not....i'm not sure if anything was left out or not, but the scene where they're in the chairs really scared me....it was hard to watch....It was hard to watch because I kept thinking it was based on real events.

close
10-27-2008, 04:00 PM
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Here are links so you can watch the Cabin 28 documentary:

No. 1:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XP3XyF48DHA&feature=related


No. 2:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t91tiG27XKw&feature=related

No. 3:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t91tiG27XKw&feature=related

No. 4:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai5pL5Ktvzw&feature=related

No. 5:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IYmiFellqoY&feature=related

No. 6 and final:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mT8O7Yh8RBw&feature=related

the first one worked, thanks!....the others have been removed, ugh

white rain
10-27-2008, 05:09 PM
This case is absolutely fascinating...ugh, I always hate saying that, sounds so morbid. But I think yall know what I mean.
I have to go watch the documentary. Thanks Jeana.

Vamp
10-27-2008, 05:11 PM
Yes, the Strangers is a real movie but it is not like the Keddie murders very much at all.

white rain
10-27-2008, 05:20 PM
Yes, the Strangers is a real movie but it is not like the Keddie murders very much at all.

I never heard of the Keddie murders until "The Strangers" came out. But I agree, from watching the movie and reading all I can about the real murders there is VERY little in common.

close
10-28-2008, 09:46 AM
i ordered the DVD yesterday....(the Keddie murdersmovie)

close
11-14-2008, 12:52 PM
i got the DVD on Wednesday....watched it 3 times last night (early morning), & took notes!...i'm confused on a few things though...well several things..so much to absorb with this case; so many rumors to sift thru, over 27 years...

i tend to think if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck...it IS a duck...sure sounds like Marty (Justin's stepfather) & Bo did this .... i have lots more reading to do...i joined on one of the forums, & posted a couple of times, but the BAM, got a message "no service"????

Vamp
11-15-2008, 06:52 AM
i got the DVD on Wednesday....watched it 3 times last night (early morning), & took notes!...i'm confused on a few things though...well several things..so much to absorb with this case; so many rumors to sift thru, over 27 years...

i tend to think if it walks like a duck & quacks like a duck...it IS a duck...sure sounds like Marty (Justin's stepfather) & Bo did this .... i have lots more reading to do...i joined on one of the forums, & posted a couple of times, but the BAM, got a message "no service"????

Thanks for posting on this, Close! I am fascinated by the murders. I agree with the rumors, so many Red Herrings! I agree with you about Marty and Bo as well. Who else could it realistically be?

Justin and Ricky know who I think. I think poor Ricky is so emotionally scared he will never speak. (CONSIDERING his mom and brother and sister were murdered who can blame him?)

Vamp
11-15-2008, 07:31 AM
Close, the forum kept going down for me too! :wave:

close
11-18-2008, 12:18 AM
Close, the forum kept going down for me too! :wave:

well, not long after i posted i was having problems, i checked back & have been able to post without a problem!.....i ordered Josh's book the other day also.....

close
11-29-2008, 02:19 PM
I give up on the Cabin28 board. They all seem to attack each other. I don't see any logical cohesion to many of the threads. My impatience is worn thin.

i'm out of there also...hell, it won't be long till they think i'm the killer :eek:

you can watch all of Josh's video, in clips, on youtube....the board is an excellent way to see the actual timeline of events (LE's timeline)...Josh is slowly, but surely posting it there, in it's entirety..

i really would love to see these murders solved...*sighs*

close
11-30-2008, 09:50 PM
i got a nice email from one of the posters at cabin28.....i guess they saw how one of the members was acting all paranoid about me, & wanted to explain a few things...i really appreciated this, & will continue to read over there:)

white rain
12-15-2008, 07:03 PM
Has anyone read the book? I think my mom is going to order it.

close
12-15-2008, 09:48 PM
Has anyone read the book? I think my mom is going to order it.


i have the book, but i guess i should tell you, it's more like a collection of pictures...some reading, but mostly pictures....it's a hardback book; 84 pages

i think it's a cool book though...some info i wasn't aware of is in it..

white rain
12-16-2008, 02:00 PM
i have the book, but i guess i should tell you, it's more like a collection of pictures...some reading, but mostly pictures....it's a hardback book; 84 pages

i think it's a cool book though...some info i wasn't aware of is in it..

hmmm I better warn my mom about that before she pays the $25.00. Being that short she and I both can read that in about an hour. I don't know if it would be worth it.
Thank you!

Vamp
01-30-2010, 10:13 AM
http://www.thekeddiemurdersproject.netboards.org/

A forum run by documentary film maker.

close
06-28-2011, 01:07 AM
the above forum has moved .. this is the new place :)

http://www.keddiemurdersfilm.com/forum/

Ausgirl
07-25-2011, 07:29 AM
It's a shame the vitriol of the old boards turned so many people away from delving into this case.

The new board's much nicer, with the major forum trolls of the past either banned or wholly discouraged, and a lot more genuine seeking of answers going on.

A lot of new information has come to light in this past year - including a taped confession from one of the main suspects, and a pile of interesting background info on the other. Too, crime scene details that were never revealed before have proved immensely helpful to those still working hard to make sense of the maze of misinformation and things that simply do not add up.

Hardly the justice these families deserves, but with both perps now dead it's better than nothing.

white rain
08-10-2011, 06:44 PM
will check out the new board NOW......
this case fascinates me....sorry so morbid....

Ausgirl
08-25-2011, 08:01 AM
That's fine, white rain - and not morbid at all. It is a fascinating case. I stumbled on it by accident a while ago, read a little bit of the board and could not turn away.

It seems that every piece of the puzzle we work out just leads to more and more questions. For example, knowing as we do now that the crime scene was staged - the bodies were moved and the victims bound a second time when either already dead or close to it - we have to ask 'why' and there is simply no obvious answer that gels with the crime scene and other evidence.

We know Tina's body was dumped at camp 18 - but why? Why 65 miles away from the crime scene, and why there? Who was the mystery caller who phoned in prior to the identification of her bones, to tell the authorities they'd got it wrong - the bones weren't a boy's as thought, but the remains of Tina Sharp. Was Tina relocated from someplace else to camp 18, so she would be found? We don't know, we can only speculate. But tiny bits of the puzzle do fall into place now and then as facts, which is immensely satisfying.

And the biggest question of all - why were two men who were known to be lying to police at the interviews and had vast criminal backgrounds, one of them for violent crimes, among other incriminating behaviours - why in heck were they allowed to walk out of town the next day? Why were they never, ever brought back in for questioning, despite that the cops HEARD one man confess on a tape his psychologist handed in?

Even though these men are dead, I think the victims deserve the truth to finally be revealed - the truth of what really happened at cabin 28, and the truth of why their killers were never brought to justice.

awareness
09-06-2011, 04:40 PM
Even though these men are dead, I think the victims deserve the truth to finally be revealed - the truth of what really happened at cabin 28, and the truth of why their killers were never brought to justice.

BBM - Id like to add though that apparently Ramona Lake, Dee Lake's wife, received a postcard from Martin Smartt saying that Bo was dead on 8/12/81. To my knowledge however, its never been officially confirmed that he is in fact dead. On the keddiemurders board I know there's a few people there who are actively looking for any information about Bo and Martin. At this point Bo is likely dead, although who knows if the postcard was legitimate or not. Bo is the least traceable (through official records) between him and Marty.
http://www.keddiemurdersfilm.com/timeline.php


Almost every summer I drive by Keddie on the way to Quincy which is just a short way up the road. You see the run down "Keddie Resort" sign and an abandoned building on one side of the highway - then a road heading down towards the river area on the other side (which is where the actual "resort" is located). I think about a year ago I googled "Keddie" to see what it was about - and wow to my surprise, there'd been these horrific murders years ago. Ive since then read up all I can find about the case and purchased the 2 DVD's.

Its my opinion that Martin & Bo murdered Shelia, John, Dana Wingate and took Tina. IMO the reason the 3 boys were left alive in the other bedroom is simple -- Justin was in that room and Martin was married to Justin's Mom, Marilyn. IMO there is NO WAY those boys (or at least all 3 of them) could have slept through all that horrific noise. But it also confounds me a bit that the Seabolt's cabin 27 was a mere 15 feet away and they didnt hear anything. As for the younger 2 Sharp boys, they were probably traumatized and have blocked it out of their memory.

As far as it being a random killing - it just doesnt make sense to me -- the brutality, the killing & taking of children, etc.

I also feel that the Plumas County Sheriff's Dept horribly bungled the crime scene up from the start - not to mention allowing Martin & Bo to leave the area. I think the PCSD didnt want to admit to their errors and still dont. Its a shame the county hasnt taken the time to give these 4 souls, plus the surviving Sharp kids, the attention it deserves. Even despite the bungled evidence, I think it could be solved if they tried. Try pressuring Dee Lake for starters. Sadly as more time goes on, people are starting to die... so eventually pressing this case may become a moot point.

Tina is a big mystery. Was she killed at the cabin, then taken? Was she taken and then killed (maybe molested or raped) - if so where was she taken and for how long? I find it hard to think she would have gone quietly unless she was threatened with the murders of her 2 remaining younger brothers. IMO she woke up and walked in on Sue & everyone being killed. I do think when she was removed (alive or dead), she was taken out the back over the river on the foot bridge and up to Highway 70 that way - into Dee Lake's "borrowed" car. IMO she was killed that night, although maybe she was taken alive from the cabin. The 2 main suspects wouldnt have had time to store her somewhere then come back later, unless they had some accomplice (other than Dee Lake - who I think knows more but didnt personally commit the murders directly).

Camp 18 in the Feather Falls area is not close to Keddie/Quincy -- however its not too unreasonably far either. But there are many, MANY back logging roads throughout that entire area of N.Cal. Plus there's the main route down Highway 70 - there's also another back road (Bucks Lake Road) from Quincy that leads down towards Feather Falls > Oroville. Why would someone place Tina in an area known to people and not on some remote random road is beyond me. Maybe they wanted her to be found. I do feel whomever called the Butte County Sheriff's Dept to inform them it was Tina when the skull was found was either one of the murderers or knew who committed the acts. Of course in another blunder by law enforcement, the tapes of the 911 call identifying it was Tina's skull have been lost (although IIRC it was Butte's error not Plumas). There are rumors Tina was pregnant at the time of the murders, but Im not 100% buying into that. While I dont think it was related, IIRC the "bottle collector" who found Tina, Ronald Pedrini, also had a record himself I think for child molestation. IIRC Ronald has since passed away.

Personally I think Martin was pissed at Sue for encouraging Marilyn to leave him. I think he was further angered at Sue for declining their invitation to go to the bar last night, after all they were trolling for a date for Bo. I think in general both men were angry at life, at women, etc, possibly had a drinking or substance abuse issues (either at the time, or prior).

I do think Marilyn has changed her story, a few times over the years, in part to protect her now-dead Ex and her own ass. Plus her sons. Im sure that Justin knows more than he's told investigators, he's alluded to that in interviews. Im sure that Martin threatened Justin with harming his Mom/siblings and that's why Justin hasnt said anything. I do hope though that some day, Justin or perhaps one of the younger Sharp boys will step forward. As far as I can tell Shelia doesnt want to cause her younger brothers any more duress, so hasnt pressed the issue. Im not sure if Id believe Marilyn today though - her memory doesnt seem to great and she's told so many different variations, who knows what is the real truth to her.

What a horrific event though, which turned what appeared to be the lovely community of Keddie upside down - it has never recovered and I dont think it ever will. I think it was finally sold and of course Cabin 28 was torn down - but a REAL recovery? I doubt that will ever happen. I think the locals are too spooked out by the past to encourage anyone to move there.

white rain
10-16-2011, 05:27 PM
BBM - Id like to add though that apparently Ramona Lake, Dee Lake's wife, received a postcard from Martin Smartt saying that Bo was dead on 8/12/81. To my knowledge however, its never been officially confirmed that he is in fact dead. On the keddiemurders board I know there's a few people there who are actively looking for any information about Bo and Martin. At this point Bo is likely dead, although who knows if the postcard was legitimate or not. Bo is the least traceable (through official records) between him and Marty.
http://www.keddiemurdersfilm.com/timeline.php


Almost every summer I drive by Keddie on the way to Quincy which is just a short way up the road. You see the run down "Keddie Resort" sign and an abandoned building on one side of the highway - then a road heading down towards the river area on the other side (which is where the actual "resort" is located). I think about a year ago I googled "Keddie" to see what it was about - and wow to my surprise, there'd been these horrific murders years ago. Ive since then read up all I can find about the case and purchased the 2 DVD's.

Its my opinion that Martin & Bo murdered Shelia, John, Dana Wingate and took Tina. IMO the reason the 3 boys were left alive in the other bedroom is simple -- Justin was in that room and Martin was married to Justin's Mom, Marilyn. IMO there is NO WAY those boys (or at least all 3 of them) could have slept through all that horrific noise. But it also confounds me a bit that the Seabolt's cabin 27 was a mere 15 feet away and they didnt hear anything. As for the younger 2 Sharp boys, they were probably traumatized and have blocked it out of their memory.

As far as it being a random killing - it just doesnt make sense to me -- the brutality, the killing & taking of children, etc.

I also feel that the Plumas County Sheriff's Dept horribly bungled the crime scene up from the start - not to mention allowing Martin & Bo to leave the area. I think the PCSD didnt want to admit to their errors and still dont. Its a shame the county hasnt taken the time to give these 4 souls, plus the surviving Sharp kids, the attention it deserves. Even despite the bungled evidence, I think it could be solved if they tried. Try pressuring Dee Lake for starters. Sadly as more time goes on, people are starting to die... so eventually pressing this case may become a moot point.

Tina is a big mystery. Was she killed at the cabin, then taken? Was she taken and then killed (maybe molested or raped) - if so where was she taken and for how long? I find it hard to think she would have gone quietly unless she was threatened with the murders of her 2 remaining younger brothers. IMO she woke up and walked in on Sue & everyone being killed. I do think when she was removed (alive or dead), she was taken out the back over the river on the foot bridge and up to Highway 70 that way - into Dee Lake's "borrowed" car. IMO she was killed that night, although maybe she was taken alive from the cabin. The 2 main suspects wouldnt have had time to store her somewhere then come back later, unless they had some accomplice (other than Dee Lake - who I think knows more but didnt personally commit the murders directly).

Camp 18 in the Feather Falls area is not close to Keddie/Quincy -- however its not too unreasonably far either. But there are many, MANY back logging roads throughout that entire area of N.Cal. Plus there's the main route down Highway 70 - there's also another back road (Bucks Lake Road) from Quincy that leads down towards Feather Falls > Oroville. Why would someone place Tina in an area known to people and not on some remote random road is beyond me. Maybe they wanted her to be found. I do feel whomever called the Butte County Sheriff's Dept to inform them it was Tina when the skull was found was either one of the murderers or knew who committed the acts. Of course in another blunder by law enforcement, the tapes of the 911 call identifying it was Tina's skull have been lost (although IIRC it was Butte's error not Plumas). There are rumors Tina was pregnant at the time of the murders, but Im not 100% buying into that. While I dont think it was related, IIRC the "bottle collector" who found Tina, Ronald Pedrini, also had a record himself I think for child molestation. IIRC Ronald has since passed away.

Personally I think Martin was pissed at Sue for encouraging Marilyn to leave him. I think he was further angered at Sue for declining their invitation to go to the bar last night, after all they were trolling for a date for Bo. I think in general both men were angry at life, at women, etc, possibly had a drinking or substance abuse issues (either at the time, or prior).

I do think Marilyn has changed her story, a few times over the years, in part to protect her now-dead Ex and her own ass. Plus her sons. Im sure that Justin knows more than he's told investigators, he's alluded to that in interviews. Im sure that Martin threatened Justin with harming his Mom/siblings and that's why Justin hasnt said anything. I do hope though that some day, Justin or perhaps one of the younger Sharp boys will step forward. As far as I can tell Shelia doesnt want to cause her younger brothers any more duress, so hasnt pressed the issue. Im not sure if Id believe Marilyn today though - her memory doesnt seem to great and she's told so many different variations, who knows what is the real truth to her.

What a horrific event though, which turned what appeared to be the lovely community of Keddie upside down - it has never recovered and I dont think it ever will. I think it was finally sold and of course Cabin 28 was torn down - but a REAL recovery? I doubt that will ever happen. I think the locals are too spooked out by the past to encourage anyone to move there.


Awesome post!

white rain
01-23-2013, 07:06 PM
Just looking back over this case tonight, and in seeing how close the cabins were I am wondering WHY someone didn't hear something....
I hate to say it so rudely but surely when one person was being killed the others screamed?
Unless Sue was already dead when John and Dana got back to the cabin and those two were killed simultaneously?
I find that VERY hard to believe though.

close
01-24-2013, 01:54 PM
Awesome post!

I agree!

I also think Marilyn knows what happened, or at the least knows more than what she's revealed. Same with Justin.

white rain
01-24-2013, 05:57 PM
I wish someone would speak out and tell the truth...those guys are dead now aren't they?

TexasMom
01-25-2013, 11:15 AM
BBM - Id like to add though that apparently Ramona Lake, Dee Lake's wife, received a postcard from Martin Smartt saying that Bo was dead on 8/12/81. To my knowledge however, its never been officially confirmed that he is in fact dead. On the keddiemurders board I know there's a few people there who are actively looking for any information about Bo and Martin. At this point Bo is likely dead, although who knows if the postcard was legitimate or not. Bo is the least traceable (through official records) between him and Marty.
http://www.keddiemurdersfilm.com/timeline.php


Almost every summer I drive by Keddie on the way to Quincy which is just a short way up the road. You see the run down "Keddie Resort" sign and an abandoned building on one side of the highway - then a road heading down towards the river area on the other side (which is where the actual "resort" is located). I think about a year ago I googled "Keddie" to see what it was about - and wow to my surprise, there'd been these horrific murders years ago. Ive since then read up all I can find about the case and purchased the 2 DVD's.

Its my opinion that Martin & Bo murdered Shelia, John, Dana Wingate and took Tina. IMO the reason the 3 boys were left alive in the other bedroom is simple -- Justin was in that room and Martin was married to Justin's Mom, Marilyn. IMO there is NO WAY those boys (or at least all 3 of them) could have slept through all that horrific noise. But it also confounds me a bit that the Seabolt's cabin 27 was a mere 15 feet away and they didnt hear anything. As for the younger 2 Sharp boys, they were probably traumatized and have blocked it out of their memory.

As far as it being a random killing - it just doesnt make sense to me -- the brutality, the killing & taking of children, etc.

I also feel that the Plumas County Sheriff's Dept horribly bungled the crime scene up from the start - not to mention allowing Martin & Bo to leave the area. I think the PCSD didnt want to admit to their errors and still dont. Its a shame the county hasnt taken the time to give these 4 souls, plus the surviving Sharp kids, the attention it deserves. Even despite the bungled evidence, I think it could be solved if they tried. Try pressuring Dee Lake for starters. Sadly as more time goes on, people are starting to die... so eventually pressing this case may become a moot point.

Tina is a big mystery. Was she killed at the cabin, then taken? Was she taken and then killed (maybe molested or raped) - if so where was she taken and for how long? I find it hard to think she would have gone quietly unless she was threatened with the murders of her 2 remaining younger brothers. IMO she woke up and walked in on Sue & everyone being killed. I do think when she was removed (alive or dead), she was taken out the back over the river on the foot bridge and up to Highway 70 that way - into Dee Lake's "borrowed" car. IMO she was killed that night, although maybe she was taken alive from the cabin. The 2 main suspects wouldnt have had time to store her somewhere then come back later, unless they had some accomplice (other than Dee Lake - who I think knows more but didnt personally commit the murders directly).

Camp 18 in the Feather Falls area is not close to Keddie/Quincy -- however its not too unreasonably far either. But there are many, MANY back logging roads throughout that entire area of N.Cal. Plus there's the main route down Highway 70 - there's also another back road (Bucks Lake Road) from Quincy that leads down towards Feather Falls > Oroville. Why would someone place Tina in an area known to people and not on some remote random road is beyond me. Maybe they wanted her to be found. I do feel whomever called the Butte County Sheriff's Dept to inform them it was Tina when the skull was found was either one of the murderers or knew who committed the acts. Of course in another blunder by law enforcement, the tapes of the 911 call identifying it was Tina's skull have been lost (although IIRC it was Butte's error not Plumas). There are rumors Tina was pregnant at the time of the murders, but Im not 100% buying into that. While I dont think it was related, IIRC the "bottle collector" who found Tina, Ronald Pedrini, also had a record himself I think for child molestation. IIRC Ronald has since passed away.

Personally I think Martin was pissed at Sue for encouraging Marilyn to leave him. I think he was further angered at Sue for declining their invitation to go to the bar last night, after all they were trolling for a date for Bo. I think in general both men were angry at life, at women, etc, possibly had a drinking or substance abuse issues (either at the time, or prior).I do think Marilyn has changed her story, a few times over the years, in part to protect her now-dead Ex and her own ass. Plus her sons. Im sure that Justin knows more than he's told investigators, he's alluded to that in interviews. Im sure that Martin threatened Justin with harming his Mom/siblings and that's why Justin hasnt said anything. I do hope though that some day, Justin or perhaps one of the younger Sharp boys will step forward. As far as I can tell Shelia doesnt want to cause her younger brothers any more duress, so hasnt pressed the issue. Im not sure if Id believe Marilyn today though - her memory doesnt seem to great and she's told so many different variations, who knows what is the real truth to her.

What a horrific event though, which turned what appeared to be the lovely community of Keddie upside down - it has never recovered and I dont think it ever will. I think it was finally sold and of course Cabin 28 was torn down - but a REAL recovery? I doubt that will ever happen. I think the locals are too spooked out by the past to encourage anyone to move there.

Something got me hooked on this case last year and I read everything I could and watched the documentary on youtube. I agree with everything you've written! I think Martin and Bo are the killers and I think what sparked their murderous rampage that night is what I bolded above.

Such a sad story. Why take Tina though? I shudder to think of what they did to that poor child before they killed her. :cry:

TexasMom
01-25-2013, 11:17 AM
Also this case just jumps into my head out of the blue sometimes. I'll find myself thinking about it while I'm doing something that isn't even remotely close to true crime. It's strange. This one has definitely stuck with me.

awareness
04-26-2013, 01:43 PM
Something got me hooked on this case last year and I read everything I could and watched the documentary on youtube. I agree with everything you've written! I think Martin and Bo are the killers and I think what sparked their murderous rampage that night is what I bolded above.

Such a sad story. Why take Tina though? I shudder to think of what they did to that poor child before they killed her. :cry:

I dont know why they took Tina. Its been rumored that Tina was starting to get sexually active or had previously been molested -- but I cant recall if that's ever been verified. Maybe it was a rumor back then and those 2 sick guys took her for kicks, or 1 wanted her for those reasons and the other went along with it. It could have also been part of them wanting to throw LE off their trail. Tina was found just over the mountain really, maybe an hour or so away. But by the time she was found a lot of time had passed, cause/time of death wasnt possible (plus all of her wasnt found IIRC). Lots of back dirt logging roads between Keddie & the Camp she was found at, in addition to the 1 paved road. She could have been hidden for quite some time.

I wish Dee Lake would speak up before he dies. Im guessing he knows more.

Same with Justin and the younger Sharp boys who were in the other room. I realize its painful for them, but SO many unanswered questions I feel sure they know the answers to. IMO.

white rain
06-05-2013, 06:57 PM
Does anyone know what happened to the living Sharp children after the murders? Who they went to live with etc...?
Just curious.

awareness
06-06-2013, 03:26 PM
I think either their uncle or their father, or possibly both over the years. Minus Shelia, who IIRC went to live with her boyfriend... name is slipping my memory at the time.

eta - I will research this more later on.

white rain
06-06-2013, 06:22 PM
I think either their uncle or their father, or possibly both over the years. Minus Shelia, who IIRC went to live with her boyfriend... name is slipping my memory at the time.

eta - I will research this more later on.

TY!

Mochaholic
06-08-2013, 12:11 PM
I just started reading about this case this morning while poking around for something new to read. What a horrible crime :( I don't know enough to have an opinion yet but it's very interesting. Reminds me of the Groene family murders too.

TexasMom
06-08-2013, 07:24 PM
Does anyone know what happened to the living Sharp children after the murders? Who they went to live with etc...?
Just curious.

One of the brothers is on a video with Sheila on YouTube. I'll try to find it. Not sure if its part of the documentary or another video.

TexasMom
06-08-2013, 07:25 PM
I just started reading about this case this morning while poking around for something new to read. What a horrible crime :( I don't know enough to have an opinion yet but it's very interesting. Reminds me of the Groene family murders too.

This is one that sticks with you like the Groene family too. I still find it just popping into my head out of the blue sometimes. :(

TexasMom
06-08-2013, 07:28 PM
Here it is. Part of Cabin 28.

http://youtu.be/FTWguyBcuJw

white rain
06-09-2013, 07:10 PM
One of the brothers is on a video with Sheila on YouTube. I'll try to find it. Not sure if its part of the documentary or another video.

Yes I saw that part. Someone was razzing on them for laughing and smiling...I took it as nervousness....and as much time had gone by that some of the hurt had healed.

white rain
07-22-2013, 07:15 PM
Oh how I wish this could be solved!!!!!!!!!

white rain
08-22-2013, 08:13 PM
bumping for Keddie Cabin victims. :(

white rain
10-20-2013, 07:26 PM
Bumping again for Keddie Cabin murder victims.

white rain
12-17-2013, 09:48 PM
Bumping again!

Blaize
12-18-2013, 01:48 AM
This crime is so strange but it does bear a passing resemblance to the Dylan & Shasta Groene abduction, in that 3 people were killed at the cabin and Tina abducted and killed sometime later. Oddly enough the two surviving children who were in an adjoining bedroom(s)? didn't hear anything during the murders.

Ausgirl
12-18-2013, 06:07 PM
I think it's really impossible that the kids in the adjoining room didn't hear anything, the walls were thin and there was a lot of violence. Blood on the door of that bedroom suggests to me that the killers looked in on the kids, and it's possible one or more hid in the closet. Or they just said they heard nothing, because they wanted to forget. Or didn't want to be killed, too.

It should be noted that the keddiemurdersfilm forum is gone now - there's been a massive rift between a moderator and Josh, the film maker. Josh was actually banned from his own site, LOL.

While Josh has distanced himself from -any- forums now, he is supportive of one started by another banned long-time member of that board (not me, LOL) in which the owner has kindly archived many of the more important documents regarding the case. Thank goodness.

keddiecoldcase.freeforums.org • Index page (http://keddiecoldcase.freeforums.org/index.php)

It's a real blow to lose the other site, there was incredible amount of progress and good work on it. I've been pretty disgusted with the way things were headed for some time, there, though. I can't say I'm all that surprised things went pear-shaped. Such is megalomania.

white rain
12-18-2013, 10:08 PM
I think it's really impossible that the kids in the adjoining room didn't hear anything, the walls were thin and there was a lot of violence. Blood on the door of that bedroom suggests to me that the killers looked in on the kids, and it's possible one or more hid in the closet. Or they just said they heard nothing, because they wanted to forget. Or didn't want to be killed, too.

It should be noted that the keddiemurdersfilm forum is gone now - there's been a massive rift between a moderator and Josh, the film maker. Josh was actually banned from his own site, LOL.

While Josh has distanced himself from -any- forums now, he is supportive of one started by another banned long-time member of that board (not me, LOL) in which the owner has kindly archived many of the more important documents regarding the case. Thank goodness.

keddiecoldcase.freeforums.org • Index page (http://keddiecoldcase.freeforums.org/index.php)

It's a real blow to lose the other site, there was incredible amount of progress and good work on it. I've been pretty disgusted with the way things were headed for some time, there, though. I can't say I'm all that surprised things went pear-shaped. Such is megalomania.
Do you know what the rift was about?

Ausgirl
12-20-2013, 01:30 AM
Do you know what the rift was about?

Mod was being a mega-ass in general, and calling Josh a liar. I think running Sheila Sharp off the board was a factor, as well as a lot of people complaining about bad behaviour.

But I think the mod banning Josh from his own forum might've been the final straw on the camel's back. :doh:

white rain
01-10-2014, 05:55 PM
Mod was being a mega-ass in general, and calling Josh a liar. I think running Sheila Sharp off the board was a factor, as well as a lot of people complaining about bad behaviour.

But I think the mod banning Josh from his own forum might've been the final straw on the camel's back. :doh:
wow....thanks....crazy

white rain
05-01-2014, 05:58 PM
GRRRRRRRRRRRR. Wish this one would be solved.

awareness
05-05-2014, 01:08 PM
Maybe when ol Marty kicks the bucket Justin will FINALLY talk about what he really heard that night. IMO he could be the key to solving this whole case for reals. Im not sure if Ricky would be able to do this, since it was his own family that was slaughtered.

Its a shame the old forum closed down. This case sadly seems to have had a few different boards over the years.

Ausgirl, so Josh & another forum user started a new board and dmac also started a different board... is that what Im gathering? Either way I hope Shelia feels ok to post somewhere, she should IMO.

white rain
10-05-2014, 08:14 PM
HUGE BUMP

FrayedKnot
11-11-2014, 04:54 PM
Rebump!

This case give me the willies. I tend to think Tina left willingly but met a terrible fate soon after.

white rain
12-07-2014, 08:05 PM
bump

Lurker
12-07-2014, 08:21 PM
This one has always given me a major case of the creeps!

tiny-paw-prints
12-07-2014, 08:50 PM
This one has always given me a major case of the creeps!

Same here, just as my memory about it fades away, it always comes back! Ack!