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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 3:22 pm    Post subject: Blueskyes Reply with quote

Blueskyes - do you remember a while back when we were discussing possible theories in regards to Tina and whether she ran from the house?

Well I was speaking to someone about this and they proposed a new theory to me so I thought I would throw it out and see what others think.

This person suggested that maybe Tina didn't run. That maybe she was tied up and carried out, similiar to the Groene case. Maybe she stumbled upon what was happening, dropped her blanket in the hall and was caught right away. Or maybe someone tied her up in her room and was trying to carry her out when they ran into Sue? I'm not sure that's plausible, because if I remember correctly, Tina & Sue shared a bedroom. However, if someone was familar with the Sharp household and happened to be in the Keddie bar when Marty was telling Marilyn to go get Sue, that person could have followed Marilyn to the cabin, hid, waited for Marilyn (and hopefully Sue) to come out. Than that person could have snuck into the cabin, not sure if Sue had gone to the bar or not......

All theories.......I wish I had a video of everyone that was in the bar that night and of everyone that attended the Oakland Camp party. I can't help but think someone was lurking........
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2006 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Salem,

I remember when we were trying to think of different scenarios in regards to Tina. I thought maybe she ran from the house because her blanket was allegedly found in the hallway.

Tina to me is the most perplexing aspect of this case. It just doesn't add up. Was she the main target? If she was then why the overkill? Why didn't they just do away with the others when they got Tina? So I'm thinking Tina wasn't the main target. There was just way too much violence and time wasted if they just wanted Tina. But why wasn't Tina in the cabin? Why was she taken? Was she an afterthought in a drug induced psychotic episode? Were the killers enjoying themselves? Did they just want another victim and they took her to another location? I sure wish more people would come forward. I'm sure there's lots of information that has yet to come out.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 19, 2006 6:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 4:50 am    Post subject: tina Reply with quote

frist, to the new people that have joined this site....i am richards mother...my family and sues were very, very close....as close to being family as can get...we spent 3/4s of our time together.....and when we wasn't together we knew pretty much what each other family was doing......

i also knew marty, bo and merilyn.....i and my oldest son and merilyn went to collage to gether .....we had a class together and did a lot of studing together......sometimes at our house other times at marilyns.....that is how i met marty and bo.....and creg, the frist time i met marty, i didn't see a evil or chilling person......in fact i thought he was reather a nice looking man......only after i got to know him and lisson to the the vicious , wicked and sick thoughts that went through his mind and voiced in my presants, and to who meny of them were diredted at..did i draw the concution that he had a part of this muder......again to you new people, i don't come to this conculsion just by what he was saying....but at that time framed around the muders, i was very much invloved with bouth familes, there was so meny things that happened, things that point directly to marty....[creg has stated meny of them]...i wittnessed most of them and stated so on this board several times......i think their were three people that did the muders....marty, i would bet my life on....the other two. i'm pretty sure of...

this is not a new therony on tina.....some where in the past post, i brought this out......i do not beleave she was the main target for the killings.....but being there and being a GIRL,.....even a very young minded girl and very imature body for her age....she was a FEMALE.....i know how marty felt about a femiles....i heard him make a statment once, and it was about tina, [IF THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BLEED, THEIR OLD ENOUGH TO BREED]...and she wasn't that old ..i told him she was just a young child and he made some off the wall nasty reply to me.....sick....sorry to talk like that but that was what was said....

i think that at the time the muders was taking place ......when they got through and left. they took her and used her until they didn't want her and then killed her......i don't think she run out of the cabin ...i think she was sustain..tied up or what ever....though rage, or revenge, or hatred...i believe they thought it was a good idea to take her.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 2:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

If Justin saw Sue "go overboard" in his mind during the "Love Boat." I would think that was when the murders were happening. What time did the "Love Boat" air in 1981? Does anyone know? It would have been early like 8 or 9, wouldn't it? Then the boys couldn't have been at a party very late that evening.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 20, 2006 3:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Love Boat aired at 9 p.m., following by Fantasy Island 10 p.m. and preceded at 8 p.m. by Smell My Dirty Mouse. That night of TV was always the finest programming and entertainment in the history of television.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 21, 2006 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 22, 2006 11:55 pm    Post subject: my thoughts.. Reply with quote

was my understanding that the three younger boys were [b]aslewere asleep in the bed ...i think the two younger boys sleapted through it alll....juston got up and saw what was happening...i think he knew the killers... went back into the bedroom and put a chair under the door knob...they tried to open the door....there were bloody hand marks on the out side of the door...if the thing about the love boot did happen [somehow i have my doubts] then maybe he was dreaming and thoughts about saving sue did cross his mind.... i know when the boys were taken out of of the house thay were taken out throught the bedroom window.....i don't know when justen was suposed to have for gotten what happened....i know when he was sent over to his house that morning he told his mother that every one was dead in sues house....he remembered then .....when did he for get.....my thoughts after he was questioned by the peloice ....???hipnosis maybe///
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 24, 2006 11:33 pm    Post subject: Attended to Sue Reply with quote

Craig - what report are you talking about? When you say someone "attended to Sue" and tried to stop Sue's bleeding? Where did that info come from?
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 26, 2006 12:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 2:30 am    Post subject: to all Reply with quote

i don't know anything about someone trying to help sue......it kind of suprised me when someone posted something about it not too far back....frist time i had ever heard any thing about ....don't know who even posted it.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 27, 2006 7:33 am    Post subject: REPORT? Reply with quote

Craig,
You keep saying "it was in the report" what report are you talking about?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 28, 2006 6:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

i havent been on here in a really long time but i do recall that on the old posts someone mentioned this. supposedly it seems that someone was trying to save her because she had a blanket or cloth over her wounds trying to stop the bleeding. dont remember who said it or how true it was. but if that was the case i believe it would have been one of the boys trying to save her. in my opinion from what i have read, i think that the mom was bait for information. if the boys didnt give up what they knew then she would die. they didnt know anything so she died and theres came after. kind of like "tell me or else" scenario
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