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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:24 pm    Post subject: Can someone who knows the case well answer a few Qs for me? Reply with quote

I have read back through many of the posts and there are a few things I am still unclear about. I'd appreciate if someone could clear some of these questions up for me.

1. Why did Dana go to the group home? (One person has said trouble, another issues with his dads wife, is anyone for sure on either? - If trouble, what kind?)

2. Was Craig the driver that dropped the two boys off at Keddie the night of the murders? (I've heard this a couple times, but never anything definite)

3. In the time that the members of Keddie knew her, as far as they can remember, was Sue ever romantically involved with anyone there/near?

4. Were there any other common friends in Keddie? We really have only heard about three families, is there anyone else around that may have been close friends/involved with the Sharp family?

5. How often did the trains stop near Keddie? Was it a daily thing, or more of a weekly/monthly thing?

6. Who were the tent people? (I've heard them mentioned a lot, but not very much elaboration on who they were, what they were doing there, how many there were) Had they left before the murders, or was that after?

7. How many residents were there in Keddie? It didn't seem really big, but just to get an idea of actually how big/small it was.

8. It was said that Sheila and Richard Meeks had a kid? I have read a little speculation on this and them dating, but is this true or just a theory?

9. Were the murder weapons missing or left at the scene? I'm sure this is somewhere and I have just missed it.

10. Were there ever any fingerprints found? I guess with the fact that many of the suspects would have had reason to be at their house before the murders it may be hard to discern which were there before.

Sorry if some of these questions are DUH kind of questions to you guys =p
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

OH!

And how long had the Sharp family been living in Keddie?
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 8:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missy! Richard confirms my message In my last thread! Quite going on wild goose chases It has already been confirmed by himself that the conversation is true!
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 9:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll give it a shot.

1: Nothing is clear on that. Mrs. Meeks might know.

2: Same answer as above. Except no one really knows.

3: Not that anyone has ever mentioned.

4: Her brother, Don Davis, lived in Quincy. And a sister down south, and her father in Medford.

5: Anytime they felt like it. There could have been a setout or a pickup in the yard many times a week. Also westbounds waiting for an easbound off the Canyon that was heading up the High Line. Also the resort is right alongside the mainline siding, where Third Sub trains would meet. Best guess is about an average of two trains a day stopping there, seven days a week.

6: Some rather shadowey people, they were supposedly gone before the murders. Nothing else is known about them.

7: Maybe a few hundred, at most. Quincy was about 2,200.

8: Not rumor, fact. I believe I've been told that the kid was born a few months before the murders.

9: The bent knife was there. There is a dispute about the hammer.

10: There is not much of a record as to what was taken, or how much exists at this time. Finger prints are very iffy in a case like this. Five people in a dwelling like that? Too many prints already laying around.

And, if they went there with that in mind, (which I don't think so) and they left their prints, how dumb were they?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:40 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yeah, I was thinking it seems like such a passionate spur of the moment crime, that cleaning up or covering it up obviously wasn't a concern to them. But the fact that they may have already been in the cabin for legitimate reasons would make their fingerprints or anything being there a moot point anyway.

I know people have said that the evidence was destroyed by a leak. Does anyone who has actually contacted the PCSO at any point to confirm this? I've only heard it mentioned here and there, so it's hard to tell whether it's rumor/speculation or fact.

Thanks Valley : )
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

While we're on this train of thought. Why would hobos see a need to leave no trace?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

MP281 wrote:
While we're on this train of thought. Why would hobos see a need to leave no trace?


You probably won`t respond, but that`s fine.
I had a lengthy discussion once about the "hobo" theory and you are correct, why would they wanna cover their tracks, unless they were responsible for several other deeds up and down the W.C. and over into NV,AZ,COL,ID,MT,WYO, then the need to cover ones tracks would be of some importance, maybe not priority one but in the upper middle anyway.

If you`d like one day, i am compiling a list of similar crimes in the areas I mentioned and child(female mostly) abductions in those areas from `66-`86, there seems to be a real pattern between those yr`s, then it tapers off a bit, maybe due to public awareness of the pattern or simply because the responsible was jailed, killed or simply got too old, anyway, I will set up a link for you and others to view my findings, they are intriguing as well as disturbing. I believe many of the abductions are closely related to a child porn ring that seems to have been based in CA. and NV.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

interesting. A point I learned during my RR career is that some bums or hobos do own cars. Oklahoma Fats used to drive out to the yard in Oroville to visit his old pals.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 12:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd definitely be interested in seeing your findings when you get them compiled Seeker.

And yeah, MP, if they weren't suspects in another crime, or another crime in the area at least, it may not have been of importance to them to do anything about evidence. I haven't found any posts on here though that make it seem like any kind of real evidence was found.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the suspect sketch is it 2 males or a male and female? Who helped the sketch artist with the description and where were they seen?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

2 males, Justin the 12 year old son of Marilyn Smartt, and they were seen inside the house while they were being murdered (Justin was in the bedroom with the 2 other younger boys)
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What exactly did he see? Did he peek out the door, or did the killers come in the room? How did the killers get in the house? Was there evidence of forced entry?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey, Seeker, is this one of them?

http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/48dmnv.html

Missing from Lemon Valley, NV on May 8, 1983. (That's exit 12 or so on the 395 north.)

Then how about the decomposed remains found at mile 20 on the SR20 in Mendo in 1984? That one makes me very upset. A boy and a girl, both teens, DUMPED IN A DITCH. And they remain unidentified to this day.

Folks, some of you will never understand what drives people like me. I'm one of those who knows what the "mean streets" really means.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 1:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You know what "mean streets" really means? Does that mean ex-LE? Did you help with the Keddie murders? Is that why you seem to know more than anyone else on this board? Are you vet? Just curious. You seem to be the most intelligent member on this board.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm sorry, but I have been told not to give out any personal identifiers, except to valid LE.

"Seem to know more than anyone else." Nope, just a good memory.

The only bit of propriatery information I claim is my POI for the left sketch. Only two posters on this board have ever been appraised of the name, I have not even told Sassy. That's the way to really run an investigation.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 2:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I've noticed that there are quite a few serial killers that worked in North CA. Yikes. I've been making a list with names, dates and methods. When you realize the numbers on how many people are killed on a daily basis it boggles the mind. I always liked to believe it's just an occasional thing. I stumbled across the doenetwork a 4-5 years ago but it gets depressing reading all the stories. I can see why detectives and profilers burn out.
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I'm a little vague on this, but I read somewhere that on a per capita basis, two states lead the nation in terms of serials who killed there. Washington and Oregon. Do we get some of the spill-over down here?

Maybe, people have worked for a long time trying to connect Teddy Boy to the Sonoma co-ed murders. No luck there.

And what famous serial catted around Plumas County off and on from 1979 to about 1987?? And who probably knows every single person from the area who has been mentioned on this board?? And who has confessed to this, 15 years and a hell of a lot of needles in his arms later??

Screw it all, lets let some laundry out to dry. RdC said privately last year that he feels strongly that Robert knows exactly who did this and probably why. But that they can't get it out of him. Why should he sing? He's got his chow and a bunk up at OSP Salem, maximum side, for the rest of his life. Ask Marilyn about that Crandall guy. Got into an argument with Robert in the afternoon, then committed suicide that night. Yeah, sure.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Robert S supposedly killed someone here in Kansas too. I haven't read enough on it yet but its pretty scary he was a part of the community there.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 4:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

He wasn't, he was just travelling with the victim, and maybe another FTRA guy. The victim, Charles Boyd, had a daughter in Pierceville, and they had gone there from a mission in Van Horn, Texas. The murder occured at a campground at Kanopolis Lake.

Robert got around pretty good. A few states he killed in, off the top of my head, are Florida, Kansas, Arizona, Utah, California, Oregon and Washington.

After leaving Quincy, he lived in Kentucky with one wife, and Mississippi with his second wife. He also had an address at a mission in Vancouver Wa. He's no dummy, just someone who went terribly wrong.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have a quick question. I noticed Valley Flyer and I thought someone else, though I could be wrong said they had some info that they couldn't really speak about. I was just wondering is that being looked into by the authorities? I'm not doubting you or anything and I know I read that Rod Decrona was still looking into it but I'm wondering how actively it's being investigated. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

new here. Isnt Decrona retired? or retiring?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 5:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, he said he was going to retire at the end of March.

They are rather shorthanded right now, maybe 24 sworn out of 37 authorized positions.

It is still being looked at as time permits. I've been told that Bill Elliot is the go to guy now.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes but he will still be doing some work on the case from what the article said. Volunteering time maybe?
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 6:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would hope so. Hell, the Chester substation, where that double murder happened recently, probably would close without reserve officers to man it.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

thats true. the substation is empty alot of the time. Glad to hear he may still volunteer to review the case.
The Keddie murders still seem to be newsworthy. As it should until it is solved.
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