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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 8:06 am    Post subject: Dana's family and the group home question Reply with quote

Has anyone looked into Dana's family, his past, why he was in the group home, who else lived in the group home, the people running the home, etc? I'm wondering if Dana knew something was going on there...witnessed something or was told something...maybe that's why he might have been worried? Might have wanted to stay with the Sharp's?

I may be wrong but I thought I saw it posted that Dana was the one hit with the claw hammer and was beaten severely....like I said, I may be wrong.

There are so many posts and threads to read through and this may already have been delved into. If so I apologize. But I keep thinking about his home situation. My friend's granddaughter was placed in a group home that turned out to be a front for pedophiles. Turned out the state would place a child in the home to be protected from their family situation only to have it be a more dangerous one.

Just a thought....feel free to put me back in my place....hehe
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 10:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The group home hasn't been discussed much at all. So I find your question interesting and thought provoking.

Dana's father was interviewed in Josh's documentary. He didn't have much to say about the group home. I don't believe his father even discussed much about why Dana was even placed there.

A group home as a front for pedophiles? I like this angle. It seems to have potential. Remember this was over 20 years ago. That is a possibility.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 13, 2008 4:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's a valid thought. But one would hope that DSS took a look at the home afterwards. After all, who was the first person that knew Dana would be at the Sharps that night?

One can only hope that that statement that was recounted on here was made known to Doug T. back in the day. But the simple fact is that Dana wasn't seemingly cloistered. I have been told that he hung out away from the home quite a bit.

My take on that statement is that he just walked in on something he wasn't supposed to see. Not that he wasn't supposed to be in that location. Sadly, real intel about his movements in the previous month seem to be non-existant. The fact that he didn't want to say very much to his friend says something to me.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

look
dana was not happy being in that home
and yeah we all knew about that
you wonder why he would stay away from the home
as much as possible.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 4:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, who would be happy in a group home?

It has also been said that when looking upon the crime scene, Dana appeared to have been the main target...
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 6:20 pm    Post subject: dana Reply with quote

i knew dana, he used to come to my, o say, provably two or three times a week. not like sues family which was almost every day.

i didn't find him to be such a wild kid, as has been stated, he was kind of a quite kid, very respectful when he came to my house. if he hadn't been he wouldn't have not been allowed in. i know he had stayed over night several times.

i believe he was in the group home, was be cause he didn't get along with his stepmother. i think, pretty sure, it was by his own choice. i know when he stayed over night at the house, he had me call and ask if he could. i don't recall him having a police record of any kind. if he had, richard would have told me.

i don't think there was any pedophiles in the group home. i knew the man that run it. my kids knew and liked him. can't think of his name. i know it was on bell lane at that time, because i had gone over several times to pick up or take dana home.

at the crime scene, dana was in the kitchen. it looked like he was trying to get out the back door. and yes he was hit with a hammer, probably several times. jonny was also beaten, more so than dana. sue was beaten beyond recognition. at first they thought it was tina, but they found out out it was sue, by her dental plates

i don't know what dana was supposed to have seen, but i don't think it was at the group home, but i don't know where.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One of the things that intrigues me is why Dana's father or other family members didn’t identify his body? It could be as simple as they were out of town that weekend or something but it still nags at me.
Plus, as stated in the SF Chronicle article of June ’01, Gary Wingate says he “ long ago had to let this thing go or it would eat me alive”. It was his son. And he just let it go? Quit trying to find who did this to his son? Puzzling.
I still wonder about the circumstances of Dana's being placed in the group home in the first place. What beef did he have with his father that would require removal from the family home? Must have been pretty serious or they wouldn't have removed him. He didn't remove himself (runaway,etc) and you don't just choose on your own to go live in a group home. What was the reason that was serious enough to require his removal from his Dad's house?

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PS Thanks for letting me ponder. And I apologize ahead of time because I'm probably going to ponder some more.... Laughing
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry Richards mother...I was probably writing my post when you posted. Thanks for the insight.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I’m still curious about who else was in the group home, what other ‘foster’ kids were living in the home, their ages, their circumstances, etc....
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 7:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard's mother--- you've stated Sue was a very private person and I believe she was a helluva good mother. Here's my question...Did she mention anything in the few weeks before the murders about anything Dana may have told her about anyone or anything? See, I think Dana thought of the Sharps as a surrogate family, the family he never had kind of thing. I think if anything were really bothering him, such as something he may have walked in on, I think he would have sought someone's advice, someone like Sue. Do you think it's possible Dana told Sue something (and John as well) that may have been mortally damaging to someone else's reputation? Is it possible what he saw would have ruined someone's livelihood or home life? Also, did Sue ever mention arguing with someone at the pizza parlor?
Sorry...I just have so many thoughts running around in my head. Any more insight you can offer....
Thanks again.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 15, 2008 8:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Not sure wrote:
I think if anything were really bothering him, such as something he may have walked in on, I think he would have sought someone's advice, someone like Sue. Do you think it's possible Dana told Sue something (and John as well) that may have been mortally damaging to someone else's reputation? Is it possible what he saw would have ruined someone's livelihood or home life? Not Sure




Good point, it`s been mentioned in the past,just not gone
over all that much.
The "something" sure could have involved Tina, it could also explain Tinas "sadness" or " depressing behavior" the few weeks, days leading up to the attacks, I still believe it to be an extremely valid and important point to be gone over, it`s just sad that most of the brilliance in this forum hate to pomder anything not put forth by themselves or their "comfy" pals.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 2:36 am    Post subject: Crybabies Reply with quote

Oh wow, feeling a little left out, are we? "We will open no wine (evidence) before it's time." and, "never trust the other guy, never trust what the other guy says." Words to live by.

"Inner circles" develop over time. It happens in every crime discussion group. If you think you belong in an "inner circle," prove it. First off, by learning when to keep your mouth shut.

Someone said something on another crime group a while back that could have put me and possibly three other people in danger. As it ended up, someone may have blinked, bad move.

Check the historical record, who is about the first person here who was pointing at Tina? Waaay back when it wasn't even popular.

Who said that because you don't see much about a certain subject in this board that there aren't people talking about it?? Hey, Cary was supposedly at a party at Cabin 8 or 9 that night.

Sometimes it may seem like some of us don't really know what we're doing. Old saying: "never judge a book by its cover." "Car 54, Where are you?" "Who wants to know?"
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley Flyer--I'm not sure if your response was directed at me or not, but I'm truly sorry if I offended you. I don't feel left out, just late in coming. Please PM me if you think I need to keep my mouth shut because I don't want to cause anyone to be in danger.
I was just thinking about different things concerning Dana and Tina, etc. Heck, the first I've read that John was severly beaten, Sue was beaten beyond recognition and had to be identified via dental records and that Dana was found in the kitchen as if trying to get away was in Richard's mother's posting in answer to my questions. Put a whole new spin on my weak ass thinking.
I came into this late. Missed all the posts from the old boards and the ones accidentally deleted on this one. I also, can't seem to get a copy of the film so that's another aspect I'm missing out on. I may be missing pieces to the puzzles y'all have been aware of these last few years and I don't mean to rehash things.
Plus I know you have often said you thought Tina may have been the real target. It was some of your earlier posts that got me to thinking....
Anyway, sorry if I offended, VF.

KRR---thanks for the passenger train info and sorry if my quote offended you. I'll take it off. It's not my intention to offend anyone.

Thanks for sharing guys. I appreciate the dialog.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

don’t recall where ,but I heard “if you take a humans life something changes “

dose anyone know what to look for?

Some kind of pattern maybe?
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 7:48 am    Post subject: Re: dana Reply with quote

richards mother wrote:
i knew dana, he used to come to my, o say, provably two or three times a week. not like sues family which was almost every day.

i didn't find him to be such a wild kid, as has been stated, he was kind of a quite kid, very respectful when he came to my house. if he hadn't been he wouldn't have not been allowed in. i know he had stayed over night several times.

i believe he was in the group home, was be cause he didn't get along with his stepmother. i think, pretty sure, it was by his own choice. i know when he stayed over night at the house, he had me call and ask if he could. i don't recall him having a police record of any kind. if he had, richard would have told me.

i don't think there was any pedophiles in the group home. i knew the man that run it. my kids knew and liked him. can't think of his name. i know it was on bell lane at that time, because i had gone over several times to pick up or take dana home.

at the crime scene, dana was in the kitchen. it looked like he was trying to get out the back door. and yes he was hit with a hammer, probably several times. jonny was also beaten, more so than dana. sue was beaten beyond recognition. at first they thought it was tina, but they found out out it was sue, by her dental plates

i don't know what dana was supposed to have seen, but i don't think it was at the group home, but i don't know where.

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And now Craig will be along shortly to echo that yes Dana was quiet etc, and basically say the same thing anyone that actually knew the boys say
to make it sound as if they were friends.

It's so predictabble.
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 8:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well Craig, it looks like you found somebody to give you some attention. Guess we will have to see how long it will take them to figure you out LOL. Let’s see, I don’t remember if you answered the question who was the Indian that hung out with Dana and me at the time they lived at the Doris’s house. Point is Craig; you would know if you hung out with Dana that’s all there is to it. So now tell us your lies, start from the beginning, and tell these people that you could not describe Johnny and Dana at all. You know Craig being a life time school boy is taking away from the school system. I am sure there are people out there that would love to get a grant that they will use it. By the way Dana was very happy at the Doris’s. They were like his real family. I do know this, I stayed there all the time. Craig would you please go get the help you honestly need.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 9:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote="Sucher Sechzig Sieben"][quote="Not sure"] I think if anything were really bothering him, such as something he may have walked in on, I think he would have sought someone's advice, someone like Sue. Do you think it's possible Dana told Sue something (and John as well) that may have been mortally damaging to someone else's reputation? Is it possible what he saw would have ruined someone's livelihood or home life? Not Sure[/quote]



Good point, it`s been mentioned in the past,just not gone
over all that much.
The "something" sure could have involved Tina, it could also explain Tinas "sadness" or " depressing behavior" the few weeks, days leading up to the attacks, I still believe it to be an extremely valid and important point to be gone over, it`s just sad that most of the brilliance in this forum hate to pomder anything not put forth by themselves or their "comfy" pals.[/quote]




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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 10:41 am    Post subject: craig Reply with quote

yes, he does have an knack of doing that. which is fine with me. because i pretty much know what is the truth and what isn't, no big thing.

not sure....I'm trying to recall....i don't remember of sue telling me of any thing that dana may have told her. if it had anything about tina being molested. i would have remembered, that's a sore spot with me. because it happened to me when i was young.

no, i don't think dana would would have went to sue. if anything, he would have told his friends...richard, shealy or jonny per-say. no he didn't look on sues family as a surrogate family. he was just a friend of the kids. maybe what he saw didn't have anything to do with tina. i just don't know.
i don't remember tina being sad or depressed before the murders, and i was around them a lot. sue never said anything to that affect and i think she would have told me.

i don't recall anything about the argument at the pizza parlor. she may have told me about it, but evidently it wasn't to important, or i would have remember it.

i don't know the kids that were in the group home at time. richard could probably tell you that.

richards mom

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RICHARD AS USUAL
YOUR OFF THE WHACK
I WAS JUST COMPARING JOHN JOHN AND DANA
AND IT IS SO FUNNY YOU COUNTER EVERYTHING
I SAY IN HERE

I NEVER SAID DANA WAS COMPLETELY WILD
JUST SAID HE WAS A BIT MORE OUTSPOKEN
THAN JOHN JOHN.
THATS ALL SO DONT MISQUOTE ME AGAIN AND DONT
PUT WORDS IN MY MOUTH AS YOU TEND TO DO.

HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO COME ON HERE AND
SAY THIS BEFORE IT GETS IN YOUR THICK SKULL.

AND RICHARD..DONT MAKE FUN OF MY CHOICE TO GO
BACK TO SCHOOL AS YOUR JUST A HATER IN THE SENSE
YOUR NEVER GET OR BE AS SMART AS I AM AND NEVER GET
THE PROPER EDUCATION.

STOP BEING SUCH A HATER RICHARD..YOUR NEVER CHANGE!
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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 12:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My understanding of Dana at the group home was that he was happy there. Please note - I did not know Dana personally, but I knew many people that knew Dana, not Dana's closest friends, just many of the kids he went to school with.

Also, Richard's Mother - in the film, if I remember correctly, it says both boys were found in the living room by the front door. Where was it shown that Dana was in the kitchen?

I too found it odd that it was the Mr. Dorriss that went to identify Dana. Dana's bio-dad lived in Quincy at the time, I think. I never did understand that "dis-connection" with his family.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 16, 2008 11:26 pm    Post subject: dana Reply with quote

salem...i don't know what the film showed, but think it was sassy that told me. she had spent several hours down in the police station going over the info. and the evidence. they have a room there just on the murder. after she left there, she came to my house. we talked about it, and i believe that's when she told me about dana being found in the kitchen and it looked like he was trying to get out of the back door. i could be wrong though, you'll have to ask her, or i will. i would like to know.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 1:24 am    Post subject: Oh, I'm quaking!!!!!!!!! Reply with quote

You are what you write...........

Wanna talk about it? Over at Applebee's?????

I'm not scared of you. I'm scared of myself.

When this is over, you will regret what you just said.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2008 2:45 am    Post subject: problems Reply with quote

Not sure, that should be my name right now. Of course, that's exactly what they want to do to this board.

As best as I can tell right now, no, my comments were not in any way directed to you. As you can see, I believe I have a little reason to be a little trigger happy right now. We'll get over this problem.

As far as Dana goes, we just don't know. He was so important to someone that it was worth killing two other people and kidnap a young girl?? That's the only place they could get the job done?

My take on this is that the kids were just that, and Johnny, Tina, Sheila, Ricky and Greg were just about fresh in the area. Who would believe them in some important matter involving some locals? Sue, on the other hand was an adult, with five kids.

Was Dana, and maybe Johnny, just collateral damage? Maybe they did just walk in on something? I know what I would have done at the age of 15 if I was Johnny. If you want to grow up to be a man, you damn well better stand up for your mom.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2008 11:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Richard's Mother - I will check the film again also when I get a minute. I could be wrong as I haven't watched it in a while. But it does seem, if I remember correctly, that Sue was on the couch and two chairs were in the living room that apparently the boys were forced to sit in.

That's not to say one of the boys didn't try to make a break for it out the back door and got hauled back......

The film is a tad disturbing, but I will try to watch it again.

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