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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 9:15 am    Post subject: Did everyone give up!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Reply with quote

It seems to me everyone has kinda gave up.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 11:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think there's a sense of frustration. There are witnesses to these murders, Justin Lockwood as well as, I believe, Dee Lake. With 2 witnesses still living...why wasn't this crime solved?

People know what happened. People know why it happened, yet no one is talking. Why is that? What was really going on in the Quincy area in 1981?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 2:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Does Justin talk about what happened to Marlin? Mrs Meeks you speak to Marlin what does she say about Justin and has the police ever went back to question him since he has gotton older?
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 3:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Mar 02, 2006 8:41 pm    Post subject: Giving Up Reply with quote

Well Craig - I don't think everyone gave up. I do agree with the frustration. I am not convinced that Marty & Bo did this. Yes, there is much circumstantial evidence pointing their way. However, I think if they did it, they would have been busted. Mrs. Meeks said she told the PCSD that she thought Marty did it. I think others voiced those same sentiments. Certainly enough people that the PCSD would have looked into the two of them quite closely. And, not forgetting it has been almost 25 years. Even if the original members of the PCSD did not want to or could not solve the case for some reason, those who came after them would not have been afraid....Marty and Bo were long gone by then. In addition, what happened to Tina just does not fit with the Marty & Bo scenario.

I don't know much about murderers, but I don't think this was a crime committed by two drug addicts pissed off because they couldn't have their way or pissed off at some younger boys because they took some drugs somewhere. It just doesn't fit.

This was an act of RAGE. Loud and clear. I think we all should spend some time investigating, however we can, known murderers who were or could have been in the area at the time.

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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 12:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Salem, one point I'll argue with you. "Known murderers." I don't know if whoever did this had ever killed before. A read of all the available evidence is inconclusive. If indeed it was someone not from the area, it would be logical that they did it again somewhere else. Again, inconclusive. Lewiston Civic Theater, perhaps?

Motive is not the prime method used in ID'ing perps, just one of them. and it can be rather subjective. Unfortunately, it is so voliatle a subject here as to make discussion worthless. However it might be the only thing we have to look at.

If indeed they were targeted, why? By someone from a long way away? If it was just random, I doubt they could have avoided doing something else, somewhere else, that wouldn't have lead back to Keddie. They were not that good.

Is Tina the key here? I don't think so, but do you look for that type of offender? Maybe. Read up on Herman Lee Hobbs. He should probably not even be considered for Cabin 28, due to his physical description, but that's just based upon the sketches.

This case is a classic example of "how do you want your intel, all at once or in parts?" He had been in since 1990 on a Yuba County molestation, then came the cold hit in 2004. Read for yourself what he did to 14 year old Terry Pata in Rio Linda on Jan. 24, 1975. At least four other jurisdictions wanted to look at him since then, and based upon a 1989 photo of him, I'd like to put something else on him. Keep digging, we might just find that pot of gold someday.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 03, 2006 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig,
I have talked with a couple of people from the PCSO and the evidence is not lost nor has it been destroyed. In fact they still have it all.

and just to let you guys all know I have not given up on this
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 04, 2006 10:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesse if they still have evidence what are they doing with it? Can they use the DNA test on any of it? If Bo and Marty are both dead now, did they save DNA from them? Does PCSO think that they done it (Marty and Bo)what did they say when you asked them.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:23 am    Post subject: Evidence Reply with quote

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As far as I know they are doing nothing with the evidence. a few years back they did supposable run some DNA testing but it came back with nothing meaning that there was no good DNA to test. out of all the evidence I find that hard to believe, I have heard that they saver all kinds of blood samples including the entire front room carpet, couch, other furniture, murder weapons and even cut holes in the wall panels were blood was splattered. I’m guessing the crime scene was a total mess and if they still have all this stuff one would think they could get something out of it.
I’m still doing research on Marty Smart, He died really close ot me and his X wife and kids live in my aera. I’m not sure if they would have his DNA on file or not. I have not really ask if PCSO thinks Marty or Bo did it but I plan to ask that question.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 10:26 am    Post subject: Above Reply with quote

Sorry above post was me
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 12:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder if they could take DNA from his kids (with permission of course from his ex-wife) to see if there is any connection to the evidence..just a thought. Maybe if someone contacted cold case or unsolved mysteries if that could stir something up
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Jesse, a few weeks ago I was reading a book review about how they run the tests. Right now I can't find it anywhere in my system. It's interesting, you might see where problems come in testing old samples.

It shouldn't be hard to find all his survivors. In 15 minutes I found a pretty good reference to his father, brother, and oldest son. And possibles on his second son and his sister. Also Bo has a lot of relatives. Unfortunately it doesn't look like any DNA was taken from either of them at any time.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 05, 2006 5:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Good Thoughts,
If marty and Bo are suspects you would think thay coud gather DNA sampes even with out permission. unfortunatly I really do not know whar evadince they have from the suspects. I od know that after the murders here was a news artical stating that there was strong belife that one of the suspects hurt them selfs during the attack and they were checking local hospitals for related injuries. they were not spicafic but if yo uhave seen the video and seen the steak knife used it was completly bent in half and I woulf imagin that it cut the hand of whom ever was using it. also there appeared to be a struggel going on in the front room so you would think some of the victems possably injured one of the suspects.
JUst a thought but if Bo did go to the VA hospital the next day in Reno was it to treat an injury he got during the murders?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 12:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 08, 2006 8:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craig people sometimes say things they dont know about or even believe what there saying because of hear say , if jesse has asked the police i am sure there facts are true. dna has been used on many old cases.
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