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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:48 pm    Post subject: Indeed, all of you may have a point...but Reply with quote

The real issue here is the atrocities committed those many years ago. Mind you, I know very very little by comparison about the people involved, but wouldn't it be just a much easier thing to have FBI or perhaps another jurisdictional entity go over the facts and evidence and redouble their efforts to solve this heinous crime? I've read about 30 pages of posts and the majority, with a few exceptions are just people bashing each other. I'd say to those people, that's as good as holding the murderer's knife! If you aren't being constructive with your input you're merely hindering the investigation if it is still ongoing, and something about some guy writing a book. You guys should be pissed that they're making a movie off of it. Think about it. They're trying to make money off of your misfortunes, your personal losses. Why not just have everyone pool your resources into actual information gathering?

Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Mon May 26, 2008 10:59 pm    Post subject: also... Reply with quote

I'd really like to read up and have an information source so I can come up with my own hypotheses, anyplace other than that red website that I can gather some info? Thanks much!


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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The website has the basics and then you just have to some research. I began with looking up what info I could out of the local papers. There isn't a lot if you're not local to the area.

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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 11:47 am    Post subject: Re: Indeed, all of you may have a point...but Reply with quote

Passerby wrote:
The real issue here is the atrocities committed those many years ago. Mind you, I know very very little by comparison about the people involved, but wouldn't it be just a much easier thing to have FBI or perhaps another jurisdictional entity go over the facts and evidence and redouble their efforts to solve this heinous crime? I've read about 30 pages of posts and the majority, with a few exceptions are just people bashing each other. I'd say to those people, that's as good as holding the murderer's knife! If you aren't being constructive with your input you're merely hindering the investigation if it is still ongoing, and something about some guy writing a book. You guys should be pissed that they're making a movie off of it. Think about it. They're trying to make money off of your misfortunes, your personal losses. Why not just have everyone pool your resources into actual information gathering?

Just a thought.


This place is a dead end. It's a sewing circle of people who think they know what they're talking about, most probably people who've heard secong or third hand gossip and are just flapping their lips about it.

Of course they could prove me wrong and come clean like you correctly point out, but thus far I just don't see it happening.

It's becoming apparent that it's not the crime that's the fraud, it's this board that is a fraud.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Passerby,

You might try your local library and see if there is info that could be accessed through interlibrary loan.

Alex,

You've kissed your own butt so long you've sucked your head in. Pull it out and stop being an ass! I keep trying to ignore your rudeness but I lost the battle this time. You are your own worst enemy.
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 8:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From Alex the A.............

"This place is a dead end. It's a sewing circle of people who think they know what they're talking about, most probably people who've heard secong or third hand gossip and are just flapping their lips about it. FIRST AMENDMENT, WORKS FOR ME.

Of course they could prove me wrong and come clean like you correctly point out, but thus far I just don't see it happening. A: YOU HAVE BEEN. B: COME CLEAN?? GOT A SUPOENA?? C: FACING REALITY NOW??

It's becoming apparent that it's not the crime that's the fraud, it's this board that is a fraud." YOU SEEM TO KNOW A HELL OF A LOT ABOUT THAT WORD.

Folks, there are way too many fakers on the web. Notice how riled up they get when ever you call them on any little thing.

There was a punk who came on the EAR board with these stories of back in the day, maybe some true, but definately a few big lies. So between me and someone else, we sniffed him out a little. He had a felony 502C put on him in 1999, which he managed to wiggle out of in June of 2000.

He said a whole lot of things as though he knew all about how the investigation went down and how great the SCSD was. Funny that he didn't mention the federal civil rights action that he has going against the department at this very minute.. Ya see what I mean? "Never trust the other guy, never trust what the other guy says."

I was jawing with a buddy last night and when I told him what had gone down here, he leaned back in the seat of his black and white and gave me a real squint. I'm sure if we hadn't known each other for 22 years now, he would have put his side light on me to check my pupils.

Bottom line: Has anyone ever heard the sound of one hand clapping???? [/u][/b]
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PostPosted: Tue May 27, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley Flyer-You seriously have to be the most self-righteous, self-absorbed blow hards I have ever had the displeasure to run into. At this point, it doesn't really matter if you have made any headway on this case. The way you hold yourself up as this paragon of investigative wonderment is pathetic. My heart breaks for the family members and friends of the victims if you are the only person they have working for them. It is absolutely disgusting the way you dangle little tidbits about the case like bait to make yourself look important to nameless faceless people on a chatboard. I can't believe that anyone who really loved these people would allow you within 1000 miles of them. If you truly repected the dead, you would stop using your knowledge of this case as a status symbol and start doing some real work on it. "My good friend in the black and white?" "The mean streets" "The archey shop?" Dear God, you are a wretch. You should be ashamed of yourself.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

"Nameless, faceless," and clueless............

Have you ever studied a real investigation in your life???

Don't bother answering that.

"Dangling little tidbits like bait." Been done for over a hundred years. Got a card to match anything I hold??

Bottom line: any pussy who doesn't have the guts to establish and use one consistent screen name is just that.

Now, would you like to discuss ONE fact of this case???
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Valley Flyer-You seriously have to be the most self-righteous, self-absorbed blow hards I have ever had the displeasure to run into. At this point, it doesn't really matter if you have made any headway on this case. The way you hold yourself up as this paragon of investigative wonderment is pathetic. My heart breaks for the family members and friends of the victims if you are the only person they have working for them. It is absolutely disgusting the way you dangle little tidbits about the case like bait to make yourself look important to nameless faceless people on a chatboard. I can't believe that anyone who really loved these people would allow you within 1000 miles of them. If you truly repected the dead, you would stop using your knowledge of this case as a status symbol and start doing some real work on it. "My good friend in the black and white?" "The mean streets" "The archey shop?" Dear God, you are a wretch. You should be ashamed of yourself.


So if you think Valley is such the way he speaks to others... then what are you doing?????? No hard feelings to Valley on this one. <3
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 8:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

It's not that I think the way Valley speaks to other people is offensive. I think it's been proven by numerous posts that there precious few on here that can consistently act with maturity and repsect towards others. Josh, Richard's Mother... Gosh, now I'm just at a loss for other names.
My point was, that Valley never really adds anything of any substance to the discussion. He/she simply waives obscure references around to make it appear he/she has this vast amount of knowledge and only sticks around to prove how ignorant the rest of us are.
As for the nameless, faceless part, Valley, that is a fact. As you said, someone who doesn't have the courage to establish one screen name and stick to it - that's my point. How does anyone on this board know who is for real and who isn't? Everyone on here could be playing games. For all we know, you could also be Alex!
You say you have personal reasons for being involved in this case, but it has been posted several times that you have no ties to the victims or their families. So what personal reasons could you possibly have?
If everyone else's motives, posts, and attitudes on this board have to be questioned, why can you not be held to the same scrutiny? Why the double standard? Unless you wouldn't hold up to the test. Unless you have something to hide as well.
A message board that discusses this gruesome case 24/7 would be a perfect way for the perp to relive his crime. Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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It's not that I think the way Valley speaks to other people is offensive. I think it's been proven by numerous posts that there precious few on here that can consistently act with maturity and repsect towards others. Josh, Richard's Mother... Gosh, now I'm just at a loss for other names.
My point was, that Valley never really adds anything of any substance to the discussion. He/she simply waives obscure references around to make it appear he/she has this vast amount of knowledge and only sticks around to prove how ignorant the rest of us are.
As for the nameless, faceless part, Valley, that is a fact. As you said, someone who doesn't have the courage to establish one screen name and stick to it - that's my point. How does anyone on this board know who is for real and who isn't? Everyone on here could be playing games. For all we know, you could also be Alex!
You say you have personal reasons for being involved in this case, but it has been posted several times that you have no ties to the victims or their families. So what personal reasons could you possibly have?
If everyone else's motives, posts, and attitudes on this board have to be questioned, why can you not be held to the same scrutiny? Why the double standard? Unless you wouldn't hold up to the test. Unless you have something to hide as well.
A message board that discusses this gruesome case 24/7 would be a perfect way for the perp to relive his crime. Just a thought.


Just to be clear, I have always posted under my screen name since I registered. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Then how come the bartender at Tony D's never heard of ya?
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:

If everyone else's motives, posts, and attitudes on this board have to be questioned, why can you not be held to the same scrutiny? Why the double standard? Unless you wouldn't hold up to the test. Unless you have something to hide as well.
A message board that discusses this gruesome case 24/7 would be a perfect way for the perp to relive his crime. Just a thought.


I agree.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A few points:

What I have of substance is not for public consumption. That has been proven time and again.

"Personal reasons." That's why the adjective is there.

Yes, I have a lot of knowledge, most of it gained from other members of this board. And "friends." I stuck my nose into this and now I'm gonna see it through. I do not knowingly talk down to anyone here who doesn't come on like a fool.

There have always been some gamers on these boards. We are aware of most of them. Never has there been an attempt to vett everyone who comes on here. And there never will be if I have anything to say.

Anyone who points a finger on this board will be held to a slightly higher standard. This is a very serious matter, you will not be allowed to cast aspersions witout it coming back on you.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 1:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley Flyer wrote:
A few points:

What I have of substance is not for public consumption. That has been proven time and again.

"Personal reasons." That's why the adjective is there.

Yes, I have a lot of knowledge, most of it gained from other members of this board. And "friends." I stuck my nose into this and now I'm gonna see it through. I do not knowingly talk down to anyone here who doesn't come on like a fool.

There have always been some gamers on these boards. We are aware of most of them. Never has there been an attempt to vett everyone who comes on here. And there never will be if I have anything to say.

Anyone who points a finger on this board will be held to a slightly higher standard. This is a very serious matter, you will not be allowed to cast aspersions witout it coming back on you.


Once again this is your basic stance : "I know 'blah blah blha blha', BUT , I'm not going to tell you how I know, or how I came across my information. other than vauge references."

"Personal reasons". Hmmm could they be : You are full of crap? Magic 8 Ball says highly likely.

Interesting you should say "I stuck my nose in and I'm going to see it through.". Interesting because you're basically taking my very own reasons I've explained. Now you have to steal your excuses from the ones you deride...lol. How typical.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 6:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I DON'T PLAY GAMES
NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL ON HERE
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE
WHAT I DID OR ACTED BACK THEN, DOES NOT MEAN
I AM PLAYING ANY GAMES..AS I DON'T DO THAT.

VALLEY, Alex and others
ok
enough of this shioot
geez act like adults and stop bickering
and being such immature brats
and people thought i am immature at times

ATLEAST I HAVE A REASON AS I WAS BORN
THIS WAY AND WAS BEHIND SOCIALLY ETC
ATLEAST I CAN ADMIT TO THIS SHIOOT AND TRY NOT
TO ACT LIKE AN IMMATURE ASSWIPE!
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craig wrote:
I DON'T PLAY GAMES
NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL ON HERE
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE
WHAT I DID OR ACTED BACK THEN, DOES NOT MEAN
I AM PLAYING ANY GAMES..AS I DON'T DO THAT.

VALLEY, Alex and others
ok
enough of this shioot
geez act like adults and stop bickering
and being such immature brats
and people thought i am immature at times

ATLEAST I HAVE A REASON AS I WAS BORN
THIS WAY AND WAS BEHIND SOCIALLY ETC
ATLEAST I CAN ADMIT TO THIS SHIOOT AND TRY NOT
TO ACT LIKE AN IMMATURE ASSWIPE!


Craig, I have no quarell with you. VF is another matter. Tell me YOUR story and don't pay attention to the jerks.

I wish it could be civil too, but some of these folks seem bound not to let that happen.

But you've not disrespected me, and I won't disrespect you.

All I ask is that you reply to my request.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
craig wrote:
I DON'T PLAY GAMES
NEVER HAVE AND NEVER WILL ON HERE
JUST BECAUSE PEOPLE DON'T LIKE ME BECAUSE
WHAT I DID OR ACTED BACK THEN, DOES NOT MEAN
I AM PLAYING ANY GAMES..AS I DON'T DO THAT.

VALLEY, Alex and others
ok
enough of this shioot
geez act like adults and stop bickering
and being such immature brats
and people thought i am immature at times

ATLEAST I HAVE A REASON AS I WAS BORN
THIS WAY AND WAS BEHIND SOCIALLY ETC
ATLEAST I CAN ADMIT TO THIS SHIOOT AND TRY NOT
TO ACT LIKE AN IMMATURE ASSWIPE!


Craig, I have no quarell with you. VF is another matter. Tell me YOUR story and don't pay attention to the jerks.

I wish it could be civil too, but some of these folks seem bound not to let that happen.

But you've not disrespected me, and I won't disrespect you.

All I ask is that you reply to my request.




yeh Craig and if you dont reply to him with full answers of who what where when why and how... then you are going to be labeled just the same.

Alex, no one OWES you any answers to anything. If they dont want to share with you too bad stop crying! Look elsewhere and stop the nonsense already. GEESH
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LIKE I SAID ENOUGH OF THIS SHIOOT GUEST
OK
PLEASE STOP THE BICKERING CRAP

I WILL ANSWER THE BEST I CAN AND LIKE I SAID..
IT WAS 27 YEARS AGO AND SOME THING I CANT
REMEMBER QUITE CORRECTLY OR I DONT WANT
TO REMEMBER FOR THE OBVIOUS REASONS..BUT I WILL
DO THE BEST I CAN.

PLEASE NO QUESTION ON PERSONAL THINGS LIKE THE
DRUG RIPOFF, THE DRIVE HOME THAT NIGHT AND THE
BEATING AND ALMOST DYING FROM THE BEATING..THOSE HAVE
NOT BEEN PROVEN TO HAVE ANYTHING TO DO WITH THE MURDERS
AND YET TO BE PROVEN TO HAVE ANY REVELANCE TO THE MURDERS.

PLEASE P.M. ME IF YOU HAVE ANY QUESTIONS ON THEM
THANKS
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"VF is another story." You got it, I'm your worst nightmare.

Would you like to talk about Rafe? Think about that.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would love to talk about Rafe. You start.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

LOOK VALLEY IS VALLEY
HE IS LIKE PART GUMSHOE, SAM SPADE AND SHERLOCK HOLMES
HE ANSWERS AND ASKS QUESTIONS THE WAY HE DOES IN AN INQUIRER FORMAT WHICH MAY PISS A LOT OF YOU OFF AND IRRITATES ME AT TIMES BUT THAT IS HOW HE IS.

SOME OF US JUST DONT GROW UP AND HAVE A PETER PAN SYNDROME THING AND FOR VALLEY IT IS BEING AN GUMSHOE AND HE LOVES INVESTIGATING THINGS AND CASES..THIS DOES NOT MAKE HIM
AN IDIOT NOR IMMATURE BUT JUST IT IS A HOBBY HE ENJOYS AND
LIKES TO DO.

WHAT I THINK IS IMMATURE IS ALL THIS BICKERING AND BULLSHIOOT
GOING ON AND THAT MEANS YOU TOO VALLEY..WHAT ARE YOU IN YOUR LATE 50S AND I AM BEING NICE ABOUT THAT..HEE HEE!

PLEASE LAY OFF VALLEY AS THAT IS HOW HE IS AND HE IS NOT BEING AN a*sho*e OR TRYING TO PISS YOU GUYS OFF..THIS IS HOW HE THINKS AND DOES WHAT HE LOVES TO DO..INVESTIGATE.

YES I KNOW VALLEY WELL ENOUGH TO KNOW ALL THIS AND EVEN I GET
IRRITATED AT HIM FROM TIME TO TIME BUT I REALIZE THIS IS HOW HE IS.
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley Flyer wrote:
"VF is another story." You got it, I'm your worst nightmare.

Would you like to talk about Rafe? Think about that.


You're my worst nightmare? Go toe to toe. I live in Bethlehem,PA. Come to town, let me know when you're here. If you get in my face like you do here, you'll find out what a nightmare is.

Better have some insurance for your family (if anyone was stupid enough to breed with you that is Wink ).
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PostPosted: Wed May 28, 2008 11:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
Valley Flyer wrote:
"VF is another story." You got it, I'm your worst nightmare.

Would you like to talk about Rafe? Think about that.


You're my worst nightmare? Go toe to toe. I live in Bethlehem,PA. Come to town, let me know when you're here. If you get in my face like you do here, you'll find out what a nightmare is.

Better have some insurance for your family (if anyone was stupid enough to breed with you that is Wink ).



Hey Alex, I am right down 78 from you. Let us get together and compare notes. I think you`ll find me to be just what you are looking for. Twisted Evil

Let me know when and where, I am alway`s looking to meet new and exciting people. Twisted Evil



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ha ha seeker
damn
gone fluffy on us have you?
lol
man that is so funny!
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