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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 11:30 am    Post subject: Lets get real Reply with quote

I am new to this site and have been reading the old message board I find it odd that there is people saying Dana did not party I know that is not true, and wasnt the Meeks house like one of the party houses in E Quincy..whatys wrong in just being truthful stop making it sound like they were straight and narrow kids they did party doesnt mean they were the ones the killers were after and it doesnt mean they were bad, but lets be real


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2006 3:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sassy i'm not saying the meeks house was bad but i am saying there was alot of partying thats what us kids did in quincy
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I talked to a friend of mine a couple days ago. He knew John and Dana. He told me that that that friday eve he was riding his bike around town and he rode by Exxon and saw John and Dana and they chatted. They asked him if he wanted to go to John's house to have some beers with them. He declined saying that his dad would kill him(so to speak). So he didn't go. He remembers it being light outside.

I asked him what he'd heard or thought. He said he always thought that they must have been picked up (while hitchhiking) by someone and maybe came in for some beers and been a wierdo and for some reason ended up on a killing spree.

People, kids and adults, with diabetes can and do drink and use drugs. Some a lot and some not much. It can kill some one with diabetes, but not necessarily. I know of someone that is a very brittle diabetic and he was a drug addict/alcoholic for years. He's slowly loosing his toes, feet, sight but it took years for him to stop. So it's not impossible for John to have imbibed some beers once in a while.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

it doesnt make john and dana bad kids but i think we have to accept some things..
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 8:52 pm    Post subject: PINK PANTHER Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 13, 2006 9:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear Richard,

Things are going to be said, posted or whatever that may or may not be factual. It has happened many times before on this board (and the previous 2). This is not a court of law, it is a discussion board. I think we should embrace any forthcoming information. We can debate it, dispute it or debunk it after it's been posted. However, we should not discourage any information that might be related to this yet unsolved case. Some of it might be beneficial.

A lot of it isn't, as we've seen in the past. But we're still plugging along...
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 11:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

so are you saying you didnt part richard in the back room
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:11 pm    Post subject: THESE ARE SOME MORE EXAMPLES!!! Reply with quote

WELL CRAIG IS SAYING THAT THERE IS NO POLICE REPORT SO HE CAN'T PROVE THE BEATING HAPPENED................... WELL HE SAID HERE THAT THE POLICE WERE INVOLVED!! IMAGINE THAT
craig
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02-Sep-05
3:26 PM
i was taken to the hospital
and the police came
as you know they would
i dont really remember much but being
in the hospital and that i got severly beaten
but beating and fights happen alot during that time
there so yeah they probably did not link it to the murders
and why would they
anyways
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FIRST OF ALL THERE WAS NOT AN ARCADE IN DOWNTOWN QUINCY!!! IT WAS ON HIGHWAY 70 IN EAST QUINCY ACROSS FROM 1ST STREET!!!!! EXAMPLE OF ANOTHER LIE!! - HE SAID SAW BOYS AT ARCADE DOWNTOWN QUINCY WHEN THERE WASNT ONE !!!!!!!!

PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE I HELPED OUT THERE A LOT AND IT WAS ACROSS THE STREET FROM WHERE I LIVED!!!!! AND NOW IT IS SOME KIND OF COMPUTER STORE FROM WHAT IVE HEARD. AND IF THIS NEEDS TO BE VERAFIED HOWARD WAS THE GUY THAT OWNED ALL THE GAMES AND VENDING MACHINES AROUND QUINCY!! SHOULDNT BE HARD TO FIND HIM !!
craig
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01-Sep-05
2:50 PM
to stay low profile
that was april 5th
and i saw them one more time on april 8th
said hello and whats up and where ya heading
i was with monte and them and that was it
pretty much
saw them in downtown quincy at the arcade.
last time i saw them alive.
steven, dale was there too playing mrs pacman
and space invaders.
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FIRST OF ALL THE BMX TRACK - THERE WAS NO BMX TRACK EVER AT THE FAIR GROUNDS AND THERE PROBABLY STILL ISNT AND THERE WASNT EVER ONE THAT IVE HEARD OF BEING IN QUINCY!!

IF YOU WANNA VERIFY ASK THE LOCALS THEY WILL TELL YOU THAT AS KIDS THERE WAS NEVER A PLACE TO RIDE AT THE FAIR GROUNDS!!!!!

AS FAR AS STONEY RIDING WITH YOU HE DIDNT EVEN LIVE THERE AT THE TIME

Craig
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02-Sep-05
3:58 PM ?yeah we had a bunch of riding there
and it was fun and we made some jumps
in east quincy and this is before the
bmx track was put in at the fairgrounds
i had a yellow panda bmx
all spiffed out
weighted like 23 pounds
it was ready to race
monte had a mongoose
stoney had a redline proline..before things went crazy
rest had raleighs and dg i think
typical bikes seen in that era

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AGAIN STONEY WAS NOT IN PLUMAS COUNTY !!!!
AS FAR AS A BIKE THEFT RING THERE WAS NOT ENOUGH BIKES IN QUINCY WORTH STEELING TO HAVE A BIKE THEFT RING !!!!

ITS AMAZING HOW SOMEBODY THAT NEW SO MUCH NEVER WENT TO THE POLICE ABOUT IT !!!!! AND FROM PERSONAL KNOWLEDGE AND WHAT THE AUTOPSY SAYS THEY WERE NOT INVOLVED IN USING ANY DRUGS !!!!!! EVERYONE KNOWS THAT THC STAYS IN YOUR SYSTEM FOR 30 DAYS PLUS!!!!! IT JUST SEEMS TO AMAZE ME HOW SOMEBODY WOULD RIP-OFF DRUGS THAT DIDNT EVEN DO THEM!!!!
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17-Sep-05
2:38 PM
STONEY AND A FEW OTHERS WERE INVOLVED IN THE BIKE
THEFT RING AND THAT WAS AFTER THE MURDERS IN SPRING
TIME LIKE MAY OR JUNE AREA
REMEMBER STONEY WAS INVOLVED IN ALOT
OF OTHER THINGS ALSO AND NO JOHN JOHN AND DANA
WAS NOT INVOLVED IN SUCH THINGS.
I CAN TELL YOU THAT AND I JUST GOT MYSELF
INTO A FEW THINGS I SHOULD OF NOT GOTTEN INTO
LIKE THE BIKE THEFT RING AND THE DRUG RIPOFF.
STONEY WAS A FRIEND UP TO A POINT AND JOHN JOHN
AND DANA GOT THEMSELVES KILLED 5 DAYS AFTER WE
RIPPED OFF THOSE DRUGS. YOU CAN SAY THINGS WENT BAD
ON 2/2 THINGS I GOT INVOLVED WITH BY TRYING TO
PROTECT MY FRIENDS AND THE BIKE THEFT THING WAS NOT
REALLY BECAUSE OF TRYING TO PROTECT FRIENDS BUT WELL
YOU GOT THE IDEA.
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29-Aug-05
12:08 PM
Ok, how much dinking did you see John Do ?
How often did you see Dana get drunk ?
Was it just two beers and they where falling over drunk???
Could each one of them put a six pack away?
You may think I am hard on you ,,,, but I can recall things about a dead friend of mine, who was murdered …many years ago …. Lets see if we can open up your memory’s and help theses people ….

SO YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY THAT SOMEBODY AS BAD OF A DIABETIC AS DANA WAS DRANK THAT MUCH WITH YOU AND YOU EVEN SAID ONE TIME THAT YOU ALL DRANK 40 OUNCERS WITH THEM AND YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY HERE THAT YALL DRANK CANS AND CANS OF BEER TOGETHER........... WELL THAT IS SUPPRISES ME BECAUSE DANA DID WATCH WHAT HE ATE/DRANK!!!! AND I HAVE ACTUALLY SEEN HIM GO INTO CONVOLSIONS BEFORE

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craig
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29-Aug-05
3:18 PM
i just remember drinking 12 packs of budweiser and coors
the cheap shiooot we were into and i think i got drunk after 6-7 beers or was feeling the effects of it
i mean we usually have like 3-4 of 12 packs with us
and there was like 5-6 of us so you figure that one out.
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THESE ARE JUST SOME EXAMPLES I HAVE FOUND OF CRAIGS LIES FROM BEFORE I GOT ON THIS BOARD!!!!!!!




REPLY TO GUESTS POST:
IM NOT SAYING THAT I DID NOT KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON BACK THERE. IM SAYING THAT MY OLDER BROTHERS WOULD NOT LET US BACK THERE AT THE TIME AND THEY DEFINANTLY DID NOT LET JOHNNY AND DANA KNOW WHAT WAS GOING ON!!!!!! AFTER THE MURDERS WHEN I MOVED BACK THERE PARTYING WAS NOT UNCOMMON BACK THERE, AND IN THE SUMMER WHEN MOM AND STEPDAD WHERE GONE WE HAD MAJOR PARTIES AT OUR HOUSE!!! AFTER THE MURDERS MY BROTHERS AND I WERE DEFINANTLY A PART OF THE PARTY SCENE IN Q-TOWN !!
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2006 1:14 pm    Post subject: POST ABOVE Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ooops, my boo-boo on the date and sorry, I meant Dana not John.
As I have before, I just stated a story I heard from someone. Why so defensive only when it comes to John, Sue, Tina and Dana? We slam, smear, misquote many other people on this site that probably don't deserve it and prolly were never involved ALL THE TIME. John, Sue, Tina and Dana don't need defending. We all know, from you guys, what kind of people they were. You say they were nice and good people. Even if they weren't perfect, it doesn't matter, it doesn't make them bad. Nothing anyone says is going to change what we think of them. So again, they don't need defending.

I also said it was still light outside, so it wasn't that last trip in to Keddie. Didn't they go to Oakland Camp? Maybe that's where told this guy they were going. WHO HERE knows exactly what they were doing 24 yrs ago?
So sorry if I offened anyone with the wrong day and the wrong kid.

But still, it's a fact that diabetics can and do drink. Obviously they didn't that night if you believe the drug test. And I don't care if they were drinking or loaded, that night or any other night. It doesn't change anything. Not what I think of them nor do I think it would have anything to do with what happend.

I was never a partier but I smoked a few doobies in the early eighties. (never liked it).

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 1:00 pm    Post subject: Some drug facts Reply with quote

If you people wish to discuss the autopsy results it would be nice if you did a little research first.

Many weeks ago I posted an answer. At this time most people accept six weeks as the maximum time for detectability. This is from a working pathologist. However what I didn't mention was that in a subsequent conversation with someone, a doctor was present and when I mentioned to him where and when the autopsies took place, his reply to my question as to how sophisticated the tests might have been was, "Well, that's another question."

Until such time as someone can provide good info from an outside agency, ie Cal. DOJ, as to the reliability of those tests, and the methodology used, and hopefully that they were replicated, you can wave those autopsies in my face all you want.

A few facts:
9-THC is only detectabale in a users saliva for from 30 to 90 minutes.
It has been proven that users show vastly different results in when it is no longer detectable in urine. Anywhere from 3 to 90 days. It mainly depends on the physical condition of the user and their level of activity.
It was not discovered until 1988 that nerve cells have protein receptors that bind the inert metabolites.

Exactly what types of tests were performed on the victims? You do not test for all illicit drugs with one test. Lets get the real facts here.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:03 pm    Post subject: Off Topic-Drug Tests Reply with quote

VF, I'm a bit cornfused...You are talking about THC right? are you saying that you don't believe the drug test results? or you just question them? I surely question them. Yes, THC stays in the body for long than any other drug I know of. I think it's stored in fat.

Drug tests can certainly be wrong, false positives, false negatives. I've had it happen to me. I'm not saying I think S, J, D or T were loaded or drunk, I don't think that matters to the investigation nor thier character. My point is just the fact that you can't ever believe what you hear or read without questioning it further. (esp info in the media and those stupid things people send you via email!)

I'm pretty sure they didn't do saliva tests in the eighties. They are very recent.
Facts I know. I don't know how what tests they did on dead people in the early 80's but I do know that most often urine tests are done on live people, they are the cheapest and the easiest and they usually test for a pos or neg result in basic substances like:
alcohol, bariturates, opiates, thc, amphetamines, acetomenaphen. There are blood tests that can be so sensitive that can pick out pretty much every single drug you can think of, perscription, over the counter and illegal. I think unless the most accurate tests are done, there are a lot of factors in whether or not the test will be accurate. Drugs vary widely in how long they stay in ones body. And it differs from person to person and what bodily fluid is tested. What I don't know is if said substance dissipates in a non-living person or test tube over time. Hmmm. Anyone know the answer to that?

I want to reiterate, so that no one gets offended, that whether or not S, T, D and J did drugs or drink does not matter to me(and I think I can speak for most people here). They were people, apparently decent, good people. People liked them. What is important is how they treated people, not what substances they may or may not have been ingesting.

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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 2:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have to agree with both Valley and Pink Panther as to the results of the autopsy testing. The only reason drugs/alcohol play a part in the murders at this point, is for providing clues. Whether or not Sue, John, Dana or Tina partook of any drugs/alcohol is not paramount here. The fact that at least John and Dana knew people who were "partiers" has been fairly well established.

I believe, for a fact, that John and Dana were at the Oakland Camp party. I spoke to someone who was there at that party, just yesterday and that person remembers talking to Dana AT THAT PARTY, that night. The person did not say Dana was drinking because they could not specifically remember, but they did talk to Dana that night. And that person remembers that Dana did hang out with some partiers. So, whether or not Sue, John, Dana and Tina used drugs/alcohol is not nearly as important as the FACT that at least two of them did know of people who did. AND the people who did do those things knew, at least, of the boys.

So, like it or not, drugs/alcohol, at a minimum, are indirectly connected to this case.

In addition, many of the people who post here indicate that both Marty and Bo used drugs. As our main suspects, it would appear again, that somehow drugs are related to this case.

I believe these murders included a "rage" factor. Typically speaking, a drug ripoff does not result in such a violent crime. However, drugs are known to increase the intensity of emotions. Mrs. Meeks, Marilyn and EJ have indicated that Marty was having a "difficult" time the night of the murders. Apparently being involved in a "knife threatening" incident at the Chevron, going to the Keddie bar and having words with his former employer, and having Sue deny them the pleasure of her company at the bar.

If Marty was using meth, all of these events could have pushed him over the edge. I'm not sure what the effects would be on a herion user. I always thought that slowed you done and made you calmer, not more erratic.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 4:17 pm    Post subject: Their was an Arcade in Quincy Reply with quote

The Arcade was owned by Ed Beckley who was a teacher at QHS. His sister Kathy managed it. It was located accross the street from Quincy Lumber on Lawrence st.

Dana DID drink some and smoked a little weed...Once in awhile he even went overboard.. Anyone want to challenge me on that ????..

This is getting old people..Just because ONE does not remember something, it does not make them a LIER...A lot of time has gone by....I am not attempting to attack any one person but this is one of the reasons I only check the board once in awhile, and Jesse can confirm that....I grew up in Quincy went to Indian Jim in the Canyon and attended QHS. Was in the wrong crowd, but Life grew me up....

As I stated before I NEW DANA very well....Lets stop slamming and start cramming...Stay safe...
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Yes, PP, due to what has been said, I just don't necessarily trust the results. I didn't want to say this, but now that something is out, my reason for wanting to confirm or deny the presence of drugs or alcohol in Johnny and Dana goes ONLY to establishing an accurate timeline for the entire day of Saturday. Salem is right on on this one. We are not trying to say bad things about the family. Up until lately, we were just wallowing around in the mud about what really happened and WHEN it happened.

We all seem to be here for the purpose of determining who did this and if they ever did anything else. If someone is still alive who was involved, tuff luck. If they are all deceased, more the better. At least we would know that these scum will never do anything like this again.
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PostPosted: Sun Jan 15, 2006 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Long Time Ago - do you mean Ed Beckly the slum lord? He tried to rent me an apartment once, in East Quincy. He was very offended when I laughed at the place and said no thanks!

Does anyone have any info on the effects of herion on the body and its role in the commission of violent crimes? I know many people steal to feed this habit, but I'm talking about being high and committing violent crimes for what, in this particular case, appears to be no reason.

I believe the drug that Marty and Bo were supposed to have been most involved in was herion?

Thanks!
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Yes Salem he is the one and the same, he also became an author and a millionaire. He started the no money down in real estate and peddled his book. But his ship sank.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2006 1:03 am    Post subject: Re: Their was an Arcade in Quincy Reply with quote

Long Time Ago wrote:
The Arcade was owned by Ed Beckley who was a teacher at QHS. His sister Kathy managed it. It was located accross the street from Quincy Lumber on Lawrence st. As I stated before I


I have to agree with LTA, I walked by the arcade on my way to work at Cobbles Stationers. The Arcade was on Lawerence St. When you first walked in you had pac-man in front of you and then if you turned to your left there was astroids. It may have started in East Quincy, but I think probably moved because of being a better location for high school students.

I cannot personally say whether Dana drank or not, I did not see him... I was in 7th grade and not into the "party" scene, where he was a Jr in High School. I have talked to several people that said he did, and it was always my impression that he did and if he did... I love him none the less. Dana and Johnny were good kids, drinking or not.
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morning all.....just kind of brushing over the new post......and all i see is OLD stuff.....jonny had or didn't have a beer or dana had a beer or didn't .... and i will say this ANY BODY THAT HAS [OR HAS NOT] HAD CHILDREN, WITH ANY COMMEN SENCE, KNOWS YOU CAN NOT WATCH WHAT THEY ARE DOING 24-7.....KIDS WILL BE KIDS....THEY WILL DO THINGS THAT THE PARENTS WILL NOT APROVE OF...AND THEY WILL NOT RUN TO THE PARENTS AND TELL THEM...I KNOW OF NO KIDS THAT IS PERFACT....IF THEY ARE, THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH THEM...KIDS SEE OTHER KIDS DOING THINGS, AND THEY WILL EXSPEARMENT..WHEATER IT BE DRINKING A BEER, SMOKING A DOODBIE[AS YOU PUT IT] HAVING SEX OR WHAT EVER...THIS HAS BEEN GOING ON SENCE THE BEGINING OF THE HUMEN RACE...IT'S PART OF LIFE..AND GROWING AND LEARNING.....DOESN'T MEAN THEY'ER DRUNKS, DOPERS, OR BAD PEOPLE,,,,,JUST PLAIN KIDS...SO WHAT IF JONNY OR DANA HAD A BEER OR TWO IN THEIR LIFE TIME...DOES IT REALLY MATTER?...I CAN'T SAY THEY DID NOR I CAN'T SAY THEY DIDN'T,,I DON'T KNOW, I KNOW I NEVER SAW THEM DO IT...AND I WAS AROUND THEM A LOT....................ANOTHER THING WHAT IN THE HELL DOES THIS HAVE TO DO WITH THIS CASE ..IF THE POLICE REDORDS ARE ACCUATE.....THAT THE BOYS WERN'T DRUNK, OR THERE WAS WAS NO DRUGS IN THERE SYSTEM AND THERE WAS NO EVIDENCE OF A "BIG RIP OFF' WHITCH I DON'T BELIEVE, NOT WHERE THE BOYS WERE CONCERNED, ..THEN WHY IS IT BEING PUSHED SO MUCH...IT'S REALLY STUPID
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