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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I think in many horrific cases like this, there is a tendency to blame the victim. "She must have brought this upon herself", because otherwise we would have to admit something like this could happen to anyone, at anytime, for no good reason. We are admitting our own vulnerability unless we can say SOMEONE did SOMETHING to cause such a tragic, violent thing to happen to them.

In addition, as Mrs. Seabolt herself said, she was being judgmental. In the eyes of a devout Mormon, simply by virtue of being divorced could correlate to being "not a good environment" for kids.

In any case, it really doesn't matter what rumors where fact or fiction--NO ONE deserved this.


I agree with the first part. Like you see in trials, most you see the defense attorney in most cases put the "victim on trial".
Its sad, but so do communities for the exact reason you stated.

However on the second part I have to disagree. Being divorced is not looked down upon at all. I believe that that is more of a personal issue by an individual.
I think that Mrs Seabolt might have had other issues in regards to Sue.
Maybe it was her own personal feeling.
Or sometimes people just dont mesh.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right, it does depend upon individual beliefs (I made that statement based upon my husband's experiences as a Mormon), I wish she had elaborated upon what she meant.

I think I just have a hard time seeing Sue as this woman of loose morals-- from what I understand she was a college student, she worked, she was a single mom to five kids. When did she have time to deal drugs and sleep around as the rumors indicated?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

honeybell wrote:
You're right, it does depend upon individual beliefs (I made that statement based upon my husband's experiences as a Mormon), I wish she had elaborated upon what she meant.

I think I just have a hard time seeing Sue as this woman of loose morals-- from what I understand she was a college student, she worked, she was a single mom to five kids. When did she have time to deal drugs and sleep around as the rumors indicated?


Sorry to hear your husbands experience was that way. My mother was a divorced, single mother of 5 kids, who went to the mormon/lds church. Everyone was very very nice. Off point, sorry

I agree with you. My own personal opinion from what I have seen and read is the same as yours. She was a single mother trying to do the best she could. Just my own thoughts.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 2:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Where were you when the PCSD had to sit and guard our house because Marty wsa outside threatening to kill us?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mr. Meeks,

Why was he threatening you? Is it because he felt that Marilyn was there because of Wade? PO'd and jealous? Did he say anything in particular in his threats?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:09 pm    Post subject: sunflwr8668 Reply with quote

no actually marilyn wa sthere for protection and for her kids,she didnt have a safe place to go at the time. she was scared of her husband at the time. wade and marilyn did not become an issue until sometime after.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh! Thanks for the answer! Do you think there were any police reports on that? I just wondered what his threats were based on. Just access to his wife?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Did someone suggest Marty to the authorities? Or did they come to that conclusion on their own?
If someone had suggested him, maybe he thought it was his wife or possibly someone from the Meeks family. Not stating this is the case, just a question. Thanks
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

actually there are some reports of this at down at the police department it is actually on the timelin that the sherifs department has. if you had the whole documentary you would know what im talking about.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

honeybell wrote:
I think in many horrific cases like this, there is a tendency to blame the victim. "She must have brought this upon herself", because otherwise we would have to admit something like this could happen to anyone, at anytime, for no good reason. We are admitting our own vulnerability unless we can say SOMEONE did SOMETHING to cause such a tragic, violent thing to happen to them.

In addition, as Mrs. Seabolt herself said, she was being judgmental. In the eyes of a devout Mormon, simply by virtue of being divorced could correlate to being "not a good environment" for kids.

In any case, it really doesn't matter what rumors where fact or fiction--NO ONE deserved this.


I never said she deserved it. And if you take a look there never really has been a tendency to blame the victim on this site. The tendency has been to blame Marty. I'm just saying that it is possible she brought this on herself. No one knows who was in that cabin that night. If she was involved in drugs and possibly got caught up in some bad shit, something that has a tendency to happen to people involved in especially hardcore drugs like heroin, it is possible that an enraged dealer came looking for her. Maybe John and Dana walked in and knew who the dealer was. It has been said they were involved with drugs as well. Maybe since the dealer knew who they were the dealer felt it was necessary to kill them too. Maybe Tina got caught in the middle of it by coming home at the wrong time.

Seabolt saying she was judgmental after the fact seems a little irrelevant. At the time she obviously felt one way. Just because she later sees things differently doesn't change the initial fact that she obviously had a reason to not let her kids play at that house.

What I do know is that in the space of a few minutes on those videos there are three negative references towards Sue. Not a single reference of Marty. Not even a rumor from what I saw.

Sassy, I agree that you have a right to your opinion just as I do with my opinion. But when I mention my opinion I have to deal with the likes of Magnum PI. He's a bit of an a*sho*e.

Nor.Cal.Gal is right on the money. That same thing could be towards my uncle. Maybe your right and the opinions people have on here of him could just be a little of base. That has been my only point all along.

To that, Sassy, I don't think your mother deserved this. Nor do I honestly think she was a prostitute. As for drugs, I see too many people, many that I would readily call an upstanding person, that like to recreationalize with the drug of their choice. I will not hold that against anyone. After all it could just make me a hypocrite also. My only point to all of this is that the opinions we have of people are not always correct.

The opinions some of you may have of my uncle might not be correct also.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok lets put it this way, if she was into drugs, they would have found something in her system in the autopsy, which they did not (look at the newspaper articles) that goes the same with both Dana and Johnny and if she was selling it for anyone, wouldn't you think we would have had a little better lifestyle then we had?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RICHARD MEEKS wrote:
actually there are some reports of this at down at the police department it is actually on the timelin that the sherifs department has. if you had the whole documentary you would know what im talking about.


I wish I did have the whole documentory. It would be most helpful.

Is your response to the question of his harassment and if you reported, or to my question of whom he thought might have suggested him if that was infact the case? Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope not to offend or imply with this next question, expecially to Sassy.
But I read a question on the other forum about if the family was running from something or someone when they moved? Im sure the police must have asked. But I was just curious if there is anything in regards to that?
Maybe a secret admirer from a job she had before moving? Or something along those lines?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is your response to the question of his harassment and if you reported, or to my question of whom he thought might have suggested him if that was infact the case? Thanks.

shoot man the police cars would be parked in our front drive way, they wold run him off and he'd come right back. it wasnt till a week or two later that he did get throne in jail for pullin a knife on a guy at a gas station up town quincy. the crazy thing is brother wade comming back from a dnce in taylorsville was pulled over and arrested for suspicion of drunk driving. and marty did threaten to kill him in front of the officers even at the jailhouse. now tell me this guy ain't a wacko.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nor Cal
No my mom was not running from anyone.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Nor Cal
No my mom was not running from anyone.


Thank you for your response!
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

RICHARD MEEKS wrote:
Is your response to the question of his harassment and if you reported, or to my question of whom he thought might have suggested him if that was infact the case? Thanks.

shoot man the police cars would be parked in our front drive way, they wold run him off and he'd come right back. it wasnt till a week or two later that he did get throne in jail for pullin a knife on a guy at a gas station up town quincy. the crazy thing is brother wade comming back from a dnce in taylorsville was pulled over and arrested for suspicion of drunk driving. and marty did threaten to kill him in front of the officers even at the jailhouse. now tell me this guy ain't a wacko.


That does sound like someone who is very upset. I was wondering if he might have had issues as a result from the war that mad him sensitive or off?

Mr Smartt, was there a possible change in your uncle after he returned. I read that he passed away from, I guess you would call complications?, from agent orange. Is this accurate?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm looking forward to seeing the rest of the documentary too. It would have been more clear if ?Zonita? Seabolt would have explained what she meant. She thought Sue "should have been a better mother", in what way? "not a good environment", again in what way? That way we would know if it was just a judgement on her personal situation. Like Sassy said, she was a church going person which is nice but sometimes they can be a bit critical. Sassy, did you ever know before the film she felt that way? I was thinking more along the lines that a po'd boyfriend or wannabe showed up and John and Dana tried to protect her with disasterous results. Tina may have been collateral damage? The film did answer one question. I wondered why Tina was only in the fifth grade when I was in seventh at the same age. Struggling in school is no fun!! Sad
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No I had not idea Mrs. Seabolt felt that way towards my family. Her kids did come over all the time.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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No I had not idea Mrs. Seabolt felt that way towards my family. Her kids did come over all the time.


That tends to make me think that maybe she started believing what others were saying about Sue after the murders, and tried to "save face", so to speak.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 4:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I never said she deserved it. And if you take a look there never really has been a tendency to blame the victim on this site. The tendency has been to blame Marty.



I wasn't really referring to your post, more so to the people on the documentary eg: the reporter and Mrs. Seabolt. Sorry for the confusion, I should have clarified.
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Thanks for your answer Sassy. I feel like a dolt that I didn't pay attention that your family was only there for 5 months before this happened. How could anyone there have known the family very well in that short of a time? That adds more of a ??. So your family only knew the Meeks and Smartts for 5 months? That puts a wrench in some people's theories.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im taking a break from this all
HEYA SHELIA AND RICHARD
HOPE THINGS ARE WELL WITH YOU
LET MARCOS HAVE IT FOR ME!

i wished i could meet both of you face to face
and apologize for all the shioot i did while i was up
there in Quincy and just typing it is not at all going
to make a difference.

i dont like the fact you threatened me the way you did
but I understand the reasons why and it is time to
let by gones be by gones, who ever was doing what to
whom..this includes your sister Richard, Laronda and Monte who
was one my best friends in the world at one time.

i miss them terribly being friends with them!

LATES
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 6:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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We moved to Keddie in October of 1980. We lived in Quincy prior to that. So we knew the Meeks since 1979 at the beginning of the school year.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2008 7:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh I see. Smile I had wondered why Mrs. Meeks said they knew your family so well. Thanks for clearing that up.
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