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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:04 pm    Post subject: No one heard anything?!?!? Sounds almost impossible! Reply with quote

This is the one aspect I know others have touched upon but no one has really answers as far as I can tell. From what I've read here's what we know about Keddie:

A very small, very quiet place, especially at night.
Cabins were close to one another.
The murderers stabbed at EVERYTHING! Walls, sofas, bent a knife in half...the whole nine years. That's SURE gonna create some kind of noise in a small quiet town like Keddie.

And the victims didn't scream or moan...even if muffled or injured?? I can't imagine that 4 people were killed and other witnesses saw it and NO ONE yelled, screamed, nothing!!?!

This really seems like it's impossible to imagine a scenario like that and with the fact that the murderers have never been caught...could a wider conspiracy be at play here? Involving far more than just the 2 or 3 people that committed the act? I know it sounds very dark and scary to consider but what other reasonable explanation is there for NO ONE HEARING A THING in what everyone says is an "eerily quiet place especially at night" and you have murderers stabbing walls and EVERYTHING in sight!
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 5:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

YEAH
weird as it sounds this is what people said and i think
someone heard something or saw something and did not
say anything because they were scared of being murdered
themselves and you are talking 11pm-1am time area and
people were at the bar and lodge at that time of night.
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 9:05 pm    Post subject: Hmm... Reply with quote

I know the area and I know for a fact that it is dead quiet. How far apart are the cabins in the area? I find it really hard to believe that no one hear a thing.

I have to agree with Craig here... I think some one had to of heard something and just didn't say anything. Hell I would be scared... that's for sure...
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PostPosted: Tue May 20, 2008 11:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

they are very close together actually and like less than
you would think they are and yeah i been to Keddie a few
times and I still think that place is creepy and i have been there
in Keddie itself a few times only and i use to live there in Quincy!
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

From the past posts, this has been rehashed many times. It seems like a consensus that it's weird and that someone may have heard something, but not told anyone for various reasons.

There are a lot of weird loose ends with this case, why was Tina taken away and not murdered right there, why no one heard anything, why the kids in the back were left untouched, and why they stayed in the room while a triple homicide was going on in the next room.

I'm with Craig thinking that someone has probably heard something and doesn't want to come forward. Maybe it was someone they knew? Maybe it was that they heard what was going on, and even now is still paralyzed by the fear that if they speak up that person will murder them too. It also seems to be the consensus that if the killer(s) are alive they are probably reading this message board, or that other dangerous people read it, which would be a deterrent from people posting sensitive things that they may know here.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yep
i been saying this for years
still no one believes me
you wonder why?
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2008 6:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't think people don't believe you that there could have been someone who heard something. A lot of people have questioned this before and came up with the same or a similar answer.

I think that it's just the drawing the attention to yourself that makes some people skeptic about a lot of the things that you say. It is nice to have your point of view and it seems like you have pretty extensive knowledge of Quincy, but I think doing things like adding yourself as a victim on the poll and turning things to you often frustrates others.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

i am not doing that now..not coming off as a victim
i was just a FRC student at the time and knew some people
that is all
i am done with everything else and yeah i was hurt then and maybe
a little psychotically hurt and damaged about the events and
i guess some of you are right that this effected me a little
too much and i came off the wrong way which i did not mean to do.

it is hard sometimes to see things when things happened to you
and it comes back and keeps coming back when you talk about
it and you get all swept up and tangled in it again.

i do have alot of knowledge of the area and events during that
time and i was living there as i said going to FRC and knew some
people.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 11:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No one seems to have "heard" anything that night. It is rather unbelievable.

Someone did "see" something. Someone posted something about that years ago. Everyone just missed it.

And that's not the only post everyone missed. Why do you think certain people are all over my case????
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 12:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Someone did "see" something. Someone posted something about that years ago. Everyone just missed it.

What is it that was seen? I've been studying online information on this case since I first heard about it a few months ago, and reading much of the old posts to gather background information, and as you indicated, it appears that I missed what had been said.

I would like more information on the case, but to this point, the message boards have been the most helpful. Is there a book available? I have heard that the documentary is unavailable.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

My friend and I started sifting through this whole thing because of the movie that is going to be released, where wikipedia is dedicating some of the basis will be because of this tragedy....but it could also be linked to the murder that occurred in C'oeur d'Alene, at Wolf Lodge Bay, that has a spooky similarity. I am an avid true crime reader and this story has just captured my heart because it is so tragic. I and my friend are going to do some investigative work ourselves....this is true SOMEONE, SOMEWHERE, KNOWS SOMETHING~! The surrounding places may NOT have heard anything.....if the Sharps knew their killer/s. I would like to see the documentary myself....psychology has alot to do with helping solve these murders, this was a VERY angry crime, one that screams some type of revenge or rage......I dont think that this was random at all.....the older boys were in the wrong place at the wrong time,,,,,think about the fact that everyone that was left alive couldnt positively id because they were too young. They got rid of everyone else that could id. They had to know the Sharp family and vice versa. I would like to know tons more about the case....I think that the movie that is being released may spark a new investigation and breathe life into this cold case....and hopefully the family will get some closure.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2008 6:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Asupa, I don't think that the movie The Strangers is very strongly based on this crime, unless it's just the idea that people can (possibly) commit a horrific crime for no reason. Other than that the movie really isn't all that similar to this case (Although every place I've read about the strangers links it) other than that they were in a cabin and their house was invaded by people.

It's good that this case is getting a little more publicity though, imo. It is definitely possible that the person(s) involved in killing them may know them, with the obvious rage in the crime, it seems plausible, if not likely.

I dunno, I think at 12 I could positively id someone that I knew. I think that if Justin knew the assailant that either he has repressed the memory or was threatened and it scared him so bad that to this day he doesn't feel safe talking about it or doesn't want to for various possible reasons. It's unfortunate that he doesn't really seem comfortable talking about it (That's the feeling I've gotten from other posts on here from Marilyn).

To Valley: Many of us cannot go back and look at a lot of the posts because they may have been on the old website (I've tried visiting it and it's just an ad website nowadays). It's harder now to get as factual information because it seems like those closest to the murders are not/not nearly as active on the boards anymore. It's too bad that no one picked up on the important information on those posts before. I would take it that you don't feel comfortable rehashing the information? I guess it seems like you would point it out to us if you did.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 2:59 am    Post subject: A certain post Reply with quote

I have some problems to take care of for a while. they're long overdue. That one post is one of them. It's not really a problem talking about, it's not that damning.

The gist of it is that someone who made only a few posts once stated that they had found someone who told them that they had seen a "van."

The post was extremely vague, it was not said that it was during the proper time(22:30-01:30), nor did it indicate that the van was in close proximity to cabin 28. From the way the post was written, it seems that both could have been logical assumptions.

The person stated that there were three people in the van, and that one of them still lived in the Quincy area. From the manner in which the post was written, I got the impression that the writer was either a person who had access to at least the timeline on the wall, or was a badge themselves.

Way back on the first board, some inference was made that a strange van, possibly green, was seen in the Keddie-Quincy area at some time during the previous week. This was never confirmed by anyone else, so it's value was weak at best.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the only report of any strange vehicles or people who may have been in the area of the cabin that night. That's just about the only thing significant about the post.

What's funny to me right now is that's it's so hard to find, considering that I did pull it forward sometime in the past six or so months.

I've lost count of how many little tidbits of information like this we've hashed over, probably 90% of which are totally unconfirmed. This is the best reason why most of us are unwilling to stick our necks out on anything anymore.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2008 7:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think it's odd no one heard anything, but you never know. I have kids in my neighborhood that scream all the time for no reason. I swear if something was really happening to them, I wouldn't know. While I doubt yelling and screaming the the cabin was normal, maybe if someone did hear something they thought it was just people getting "crazy" or partying. It is also possible people just weren't around or paying attention. This is just my opinion, I know nothing about the resort or the area for that matter. Keep in mind, there have been cases where people slept through murders in their own homes. Also, the questions of why the kids stayed in the back room while this was going on was kind of weird. Wouldn't you? I know I would be frozen with fear.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:11 am    Post subject: Re: A certain post Reply with quote

Valley Flyer wrote:
I have some problems to take care of for a while. they're long overdue. That one post is one of them. It's not really a problem talking about, it's not that damning.

The gist of it is that someone who made only a few posts once stated that they had found someone who told them that they had seen a "van."

The post was extremely vague, it was not said that it was during the proper time(22:30-01:30), nor did it indicate that the van was in close proximity to cabin 28. From the way the post was written, it seems that both could have been logical assumptions.

The person stated that there were three people in the van, and that one of them still lived in the Quincy area. From the manner in which the post was written, I got the impression that the writer was either a person who had access to at least the timeline on the wall, or was a badge themselves.

Way back on the first board, some inference was made that a strange van, possibly green, was seen in the Keddie-Quincy area at some time during the previous week. This was never confirmed by anyone else, so it's value was weak at best.

To the best of my knowledge, this is the only report of any strange vehicles or people who may have been in the area of the cabin that night. That's just about the only thing significant about the post.

What's funny to me right now is that's it's so hard to find, considering that I did pull it forward sometime in the past six or so months.

I've lost count of how many little tidbits of information like this we've hashed over, probably 90% of which are totally unconfirmed. This is the best reason why most of us are unwilling to stick our necks out on anything anymore.


Valley, I hate to bring this up because it appears it is a taboo topic at times, but here goes.
Remember my posting`s about an arguement between Sue and a man?
Well we are getting a real strong feeling that the man may have possibly been J.L. I believe you know who I mean, if not say so and I will type it out.
He could play into the" Tina as a target" and the "kiddie porn" angles very nicely.
The whole van angle might fit into a J.L. scenario as well, what better way to haul someone off, and vans are favorites w/ the abductor types. He and a one or a few of his "kiddie porn" collectors may have went in w/ the intentions of taking Tina and it all got ugly, especially if he were still heated from his arguement w/ Sue. He does fit the overall description I posted of the man.
If anyone here was there at the time and knows exactly what he looked like, facial hair etc, and if he was ever seen in one or w/ people that owed a van that could be huge.
We are just about certain he had access to a "lodge" or some other type of hide away up the road.
Just a thought.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

One other question for Craig, Josh, anyone that may know.

How much contact did J.L. have w/ Dana if any at all?

I`d bet more than anyone want`s to admit.(not meant to offend)
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 2:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh my, could you have picked a better enimga? I hope this doesn't go over the heads of some of the newbies who think they can hit the ground running. Oh well, that's not my problem.

About all I know about him is his particulars, and where he lived while there. I have no clue where he was born, or where he got his degree from. We're not even sure what year he started. I believe he could have gotten his credentials by 1978, but that's not for sure.

We have no other addresses for him, other than his current two addresses. He might have an uncle in Red Bluff, and members of his family may have had property in South Lake Tahoe and in Cobb. As well as Big Spring, Texas. I can date his current two addresses to at least 1995, if not before.

We aren't sure why he was looked at in the first place, other than his proximity to Tina. My ears sure did perk up a little when I was told that they did look at him again when they became aware of his qualifying offense. 18 years is a long time to sit on a possible.

One thing in the back of my mind is the idea that he could be simply a deflection. He was an outsider, a teacher, and Jewish. If anyone had a real dirt on him, I just can't see them holding anything back. Same goes for Craig, who up there would cover for him?

The one problem I have with talking about this guy is that his family sure isn't "po folk." I don't want to cause anyone to sic their legal eagle on us.

By the way, yes, someone from the day, who didn't particularly like him, did state that he had facial hair during that school year.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just out of curiousity and my question may have been aswered at some point but I'm being lazy and don't feeling like trying to find the answer myself. I will say I've read many of the post and all the articles I can find relating to this. Anyways...ramble ramble as I always do. Where is the Sharp childrens father during all of this? I haven't found any reference to him or if I have I didn't realize he was the father. Thanks for any help.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

^^^^^^^^
They were estranged but I'm not sure if they'd finalized a divorce. If you look at Sue's obit under "News and Media" on this site you can see his name is James and was in Connecticut. He was cleared by police as well.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
^^^^^^^^
They were estranged but I'm not sure if they'd finalized a divorce. If you look at Sue's obit under "News and Media" on this site you can see his name is James and was in Connecticut. He was cleared by police as well.


Sorry I'm not sure if he was FROM Connecticut or if he was living there when the murders happened.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, he was from there. He was a career Navy man. I believe they seperated while he was stationed at Bremerton. As I just said, someone way back mentioned that he may have been at the Philly Navy Yard when it happened.
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PostPosted: Sun May 25, 2008 1:57 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok thanks. I was just curious.
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