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PostPosted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:50 pm    Post subject: Valley's thoughts Reply with quote

Well, here we go again. I thought 2008 would be a better, calmer year. Looks like I was wrong. Richard, I'll get back to you when it's safe. Thank you, but right now I don't wish to drag anyone else into my problems. Replying to anyone in private is a problem for me right now.

I'm a little old and too ticked off to jump through hoops for anyone right now. But since LC laid down the gauntlet, here goes. My way.

This is a discussion about one of probably no more than ten unsolved triples in California in the last fifty years. This is a special class of case, and posters should act accordingly. Anyone who does not wish to conduct themselves properly will be looked at with a degree of skepticism and maybe a little more than that.

Sadly, LC's statements indicate a severe lack of knowledge of investigative practices. Cops don't lie, or hold things back in the process of an investigation, do they?? So since I'm a civie trying to help LE do their job, I shouldn't either?? Welcome to the real world.

A few specific answers:

I do not feel that I know exactly who was responsible. Nor do I feel that anyone else really does. Do some of us have a darn good idea as to the primary subject? Yes, and they do also.

I don't believe I've talked to anyone who really knows the motive in this case. I neither accept nor reject any theory. There are merits and demerits to all the theories presented so far. My personal opinion has been for a long time that this did not go down as planned, therefore solving for motive becomes more difficult by a large factor.

At this time, after three years of analysis, my current opinion is that Marty, and perhaps Bo, DID have a degree of culpability. I have made a public statement about "Marty as stagehand," I guess you missed that one. Or did you mean to???

Did Marty and Bo actually commit the crime? Well, what is known publically would seem to not give them opportunity. But that's if the truth is really the truth. It's kinda funny that when someone looks at a post one too many times, it just goes "poof." And that's my personal work product, it's not open to discussion.

Another good reason for being coy about what I let out is that I do happen to have a POI whom I can't place in the area. Since no one up there seems to have any coroborating information, I have to run this one by myself. Sadly, not too many people seem to be able to grasp the concept of "independant verification." Not only in this matter, but in several other discussions on here.

There are many other reasons people are holding back on here. This board has been infiltrated. By whom we're not sure, but I know it has been. If the rest of you don't, too bad. I would ask this question: If I know so damn little, how come someone keeps turning off my email notification from the board??

One further little jab: It's verwy interesting that whenever I attempted to impart any of my knowledge of drug running activities, Craig would constantly try to readjust my thoughts back up to the Oroville area. Then when MP brought up the sorid story of "Merry Perry" and his little band of neo-nothings, Craig seems to have nothing left to say. Come on, Craig, the silence is deafaning.

Now when some of you folks want to come on and discuss some topics like that with an open mind and a respect for other people's opinions, maybe some of us will respond. "Little Miss kill 'em all??" Take that bleep and put it where the sun don't shine.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 12:19 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi all,

Still hoping to see a copy of the video. Anyone willing to send me a copy? I'll gladly pay for S&H or whatever it takes. Thank you.

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PostPosted: Thu Feb 14, 2008 6:12 am    Post subject: Re: Valley's thoughts Reply with quote

[quote="Valley Flyer"]

Sadly, LC's statements indicate a severe lack of knowledge of investigative practices. Cops don't lie, or hold things back in the process of an investigation, do they?? So since I'm a civie trying to help LE do their job, I shouldn't either?? Welcome to the real world.

Do not make statements such as these when you obviously do not know me or what I know of or about. Fair enough?
I understand that not every bit of info involved with any crime can be divulged by LE for several reasons, one being to root out the "wacko`s"that confess to a crime but know none of the details of it other than what is released in the media. You are not LE, so my point is I doubt you have any real info about anything other than your own conclusions, so therefore your secretive posting style only makes you appear as though you know so much more than the rest of us, yet you really don`t, yet have no problem scolding anyone else that is in the same situation.
Having said this, I obviously do not know you or have any knowledge what you may really know, so if you actually are "onto something big" I wish you well and hope you are the link maker that breaks this case open.
I make my statements based on discussions with people that know details, I might offend some with them at times, but hey, murder is offensive as well and if you don`t like what you are reading, skip it and go to the next post, pretty simple don`t ya think?
Others I have chatted with about this case and myself believe there are 7 very good candidates for involvement in this crime in some fashion. Bo, Marty and Craigophile can be placed into many of our theories as to how and why. Two others (I won`t name so as not to offend) can be drawn up as suspects for several reasons leading up to and their actions years afterwards. One other has only been mentioned twice here that I have ever found and the seventh has never been mentioned, can be linked to the previous 6 I have, was in the area, had at least 1 motive possibly several and appears to maybe even be guilty of something before and after this crime.

Satan claps, mindless, derelict, fools sing and dance, God`s vengeance awaits!
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PostPosted: Sun Feb 17, 2008 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a new one to think about: the latest "bad boy." Joseph M. Nissensohn, age 57. Currently confined in Washington, sentenced to 300 months for a murder in 1989.

El Dorado County now wants him for the Aug. 1989 murder of a 15 year old in South Lake Tahoe. And his ex claims he did one in Nevada and two in Oklahoma.

A little closer to home, he has supposedly admitted to an aquaintence that he raped and murdered two girls, age 13 and 14, in 1981, in Seaside, Monterey County. Putting him a little closer is the five years he was sentenced to in Sacramento County Superior in 1975 for two robberies.

This guy was a genuine drifter that no one would pick up on. He started with a robbery beef in Bridgewater Mass. in 1970. So far, two addresses in Florida, one in Dayton, and one in Washington. Not saying he's anything special, but he was out there at the time, and he did like little girls. If he did have opportunity, they sure as hell better be looking at Jaycee Lee Dugard. Then how about Michelle Garect in Hayward??
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 18, 2008 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley - do you know where and when in Nevada? Or what month in 1981 he was in Monterey County?

Monterey County would put him about 6 hours from Plumas County.

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PostPosted: Tue Feb 19, 2008 2:54 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Funny, that's just what I was thinking. No, way too early yet, this only broke on Saturday.

If they even know exactly what the cases in Nevada and Oklahoma are, they haven't said. I'll find the time to do a little searching about the Monterey County cases. I was just waiting to see if it comes out in the paper.

I've looked into a few of this type, they're just rotten to the core. I fear that people will be lining up trying to pin stuff on this guy. This type does what they want, when they want. I'm looking at from about 1972 to 1975 and about 1979 thru 1989 or 90. That's a hell of a lot of time to travel around killing people. I've got one to suggest myself, Sac County Coroner case # 81-1820....
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

im curious to know how you are going to attempt to connect the dots with that case.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 21, 2008 6:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCZSDxA8_JA&feature=related
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PostPosted: Mon Feb 25, 2008 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetpea, if you mean that case 81-1820, it's just something that fits my criteria. I'm looking for any other funny cases around that time.

I'm of the opinion that whoever did this may have done something else. And it could have been done to cover up the case. This type of scum might brag, maybe someone heard something they shouldn't have.

As to that Nissensoth jerk, I have one possible for that case. She disappeared from Tacoma in 1978, maybe before Nissensoth got out here in California. But he has three addresses in Steilacoom, of an unknown date, which is the southwest suburb of Tacoma.

I just think outside the box a little too much. Sometimes I'm kinda hard to follow. I found something on the EAR case no one seems to know about. It wasn't a rape, which is what everyone is looking for. But it could have been........ Sometimes I guess, sometimes I'm right. We all do that, don't we??
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:52 am    Post subject: Others in the area Reply with quote

Salem, here's something from the Salinas Californian about that Monterey county case they're looking at for Nissensohn.

Also, the story of that Kibbe guy could get very interesting, and close to home. Kibbe might possibly be a better candidate for that Sac County Coroner case.


But Monterey County investigators say they've linked Nissensohn to the murders of Tanya Jones, 14, and Tammy Jarschae, 13, both county residents, in the summer of 1981.

"At the end of the investigation, if the District Attorney decides we should file (any charges), then we'll file them," said County Deputy District Attorney Ann Hill.

According to an article published in The Salinas Californian on Sept. 10, 1981, the county's Sheriff Office reported that woodcutters found the teens' partially clothed and decomposed bodies in a remote wooded area in Carmel Valley the day before. The girls' bodies were found about 40 yards apart near Miller's Canyon, a mile from Tassajara Road, three months after they were reported missing.

The FBI is now analyzing DNA evidence from the scene, Hill said
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Just to reiterate, Marty was found to be innocent of any wrong doing, and was not involved in these murders. He has been cleared of any involvement by local, state, and federal law enforcement agencies and any and all accusations of his involvement are false.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 5:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yea right! they say he wasn't a dope dealer either, but i know better
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:03 pm    Post subject: GAMERS Reply with quote

Here we go again. Folks, just don't listen to off the wall crap like that.

MARTY HAS NOT BEEN CLEARED OF ALL INVOLVEMENT IN THIS CASE.

IF IT DOESN'T COME FROM THE HIGH SHERIFF HIMSELF, IT'S JUST A TWO-BIT OPINION.
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 7:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

well who was he supposedly cleared by?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

THIS PERSON HAS COME ON ALL THREE NEW
THREADS REPLIES AND SAID THE SAME
THING OVER AND OVER AGAIN..AND OVER...
NICE TRY MARTY'S BROTHER

LOOK VALLEY IS RIGHT
HE HAS NOT BEEN TOTALLY CLEARED NOR HAS BO
OR DEE..THE ONE PERSON STILL LIVING IN QUINCY
THAT MOTHER MEEKS AND OTHERS HAS SAID ONE
OF THE ONE INVOLVED IN THE KILLINGS STILL LIVES
UP THERE..DEE LAKE!

HOW INVOLVED IN THE KILLINGS HAS NOT BEEN
DETERMINED YET!

THATS MY POINT IN THIS WHOLE THING!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 14, 2008 1:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, I don't know that I would have said that, unless it's just a little smoke and mirrors. Which is just fine with me.

Common sense would seem to dictate that he isn't involved. Both on his part and the department's part.

Guest, when will you learn? That post was so insulting it was pitiful. Just who are you? just some pussy-faced punk as far as I'm concerned. even "Valley Girl" does a better job of lying than that. Well, at least sometimes.

By the way punk, we is just talkin. When one of us makes an accusation, you will know it.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 9:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

it is not smoke and mirrors
you were not there Valley nor do you know these
people like myself, mother meeks and others and we
have good reasons to say those three have some
connection to the murders..

WHAT CONNECTION IS NOT KNOWN AND LIKE I
SAID OVER THE PAST FEW YEARS I DONT KNOW
EXACTLY HOW INVOLVED THEY ARE BUT I KNOW
THEY WERE PEOPLE ALOT OF PEOPLE WERE SCARED
OF.

there are connections to marty and bo to the murders
and if thos two were connected so was DEE not far behind
and you got to understand this as we know these people
alot better than you Valley.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 15, 2008 12:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, my point is that the more truth there is to that thought, the less likely that it should be posted in an open forum. I don't think I've ever seen anything here to tie him to the case. Except of course the idea that he was in the car with Marty and Bo on Sunday.

No one seems to have tied him to either the Suburban or the van, if either have any relevance. We're not going back to that "behind the bar story", are we?

Just be careful in what you say, even just on someplace like my group. That did happen to me recently. It was a very stupid trick on someone's part. This board is manipulated, there is no doubt about that. Does anyone care?
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 18, 2008 10:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

number one
that time in the car with Marty and Bo
well sorry to tell you that happened alot more
than you think it did and they hung out alot. and
were close friends.

Heya like i said you dont know those three and
basically and you just know what you been told by us and
Mother Meeks will tell you that what Marty and Bo did
then Dee Lake was not far behind and thats the truth.

number two..i am not manipulated into anything and i
think by now, you should know i will say what is on my mind
and no one will change that or manipulate that and
even the Meeks, Mannies or anyone else who was up
there at the time CAN NOT and WILL NOT MANIPULATE ME.

THIS IS NOT A TRICK VALLEY..ok and it is just things you
just dont know about those three that we do, the people who
was up there at the time.

LET ME SAY IT ONE MORE TIME..we dont know how involved
those three were but they sure seem to be connected to the
murders in many ways and that is what the Meeks and others
have been saying and i have been saying.

HOW CONNECTED TO THE MURDERS AND WHAT THEY DID IS
THE QUESTION?
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PostPosted: Wed Mar 19, 2008 9:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

craig wrote:
it is not smoke and mirrors
you were not there Valley nor do you know these
people like myself, mother meeks and others and we
have good reasons to say those three have some
connection to the murders...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQQmAP9Poo4
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2008 8:33 pm    Post subject: Time to clear the air a little Reply with quote

Folks, I tried to post something earlier today. Oh well, you can't keep a good man down... Fair warning: In my computer, is the same as in my home.

Someone mentioned recently that they hadn't heard from Richard and Sassy. Well, no bleep sherlock. If you were called "Little Miss Kill 'em all," and your mom called "Sue spread her legs for anyone" what's the use? If the Lord Jesus Christ read those posts, his stress level would probably go up.

Those six little gobbledegocks today are about the last straw. Why are they so stupid as to show us every day how out of control this board is? Answer: they were born that way.

For those of you who don't inhabit other crime boards, you might think this is normal conduct. In a very few cases, it is. I dare any of these fools to try this kind of crap on the Zodiackiller.com message board.

Does this board have to be this way? Ask the person at the top, he'll tell you. Is this the only place we can discuss this case? Not for long.....

The only reason I stay around right now is that these morons we seem to be engaging with recently are my mortal enemies. Have been for maybe 13 years. Payback can be fun, try it sometime.

Craig, just why did you say to that new poster "Yeah, I knew you were from Europe" ??? I'll start with the easy ones, they're not all that easy.

Jesse, there ain't no easy ones to ask you. So I'll just ask them somewhere else. You had your chance.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2008 11:20 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah well as i have said..they dont know and saying shioot
out of the blue..no point pointing out every yahoooooooooo
full of shioot
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 1:26 am    Post subject: Re: Time to clear the air a little Reply with quote

Valley Flyer wrote:
Folks, I tried to post something earlier today. Oh well, you can't keep a good man down... Fair warning: In my computer, is the same as in my home.

Someone mentioned recently that they hadn't heard from Richard and Sassy. Well, no bleep sherlock. If you were called "Little Miss Kill 'em all," and your mom called "Sue spread her legs for anyone" what's the use? If the Lord Jesus Christ read those posts, his stress level would probably go up.

Those six little gobbledegocks today are about the last straw. Why are they so stupid as to show us every day how out of control this board is? Answer: they were born that way.

For those of you who don't inhabit other crime boards, you might think this is normal conduct. In a very few cases, it is. I dare any of these fools to try this kind of crap on the Zodiackiller message board.

Does this board have to be this way? Ask the person at the top, he'll tell you. Is this the only place we can discuss this case? Not for long.....

The only reason I stay around right now is that these morons we seem to be engaging with recently are my mortal enemies. Have been for maybe 13 years. Payback can be fun, try it sometime.

Craig, just why did you say to that new poster "Yeah, I knew you were from Europe" ??? I'll start with the easy ones, they're not all that easy.

Jesse, there ain't no easy ones to ask you. So I'll just ask them somewhere else. You had your chance.



Speaking of Zodiac, that boards been played like a fiddle, just ask Voigt.

Zelms was set up and murdered by his own kind.
He was gonna contradict Fouke and make the S.F.P.D. look even more foolish.
It`s a pretty good bet that it was Uncle Charlie that was behind it all, B.Davis had a nastier streak than Tex ever had, he`d have been the perfect guy for those jobs. And let`s not forget that Charlie used females for everything and they were hunting for a man, the lady cats could have had a very active part in The Zodiac action and would have never been suspected.
Guess which Family member was pretty good w/codes and cyphers?
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I can't dispute any one thing that you said. Sadly, it could all be true.

As to Tom's board. yeah, it was a LOT better about five years ago. But I do remember that they had their chance to talk about this case. I think most of them are still trying to figure out where Keddie is.

There are the "professional" armchair PI's, then there are the rest of us common folk who have come together here to try to help right a terrible crime done to the Sharp family and Dana.

I really don't like some of the things that have gone on on this board. May some of those responsible just rot in hell.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2008 3:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley Flyer wrote:
I can't dispute any one thing that you said. Sadly, it could all be true.

As to Tom's board. yeah, it was a LOT better about five years ago. But I do remember that they had their chance to talk about this case. I think most of them are still trying to figure out where Keddie is.

There are the "professional" armchair PI's, then there are the rest of us common folk who have come together here to try to help right a terrible crime done to the Sharp family and Dana.

I really don't like some of the things that have gone on on this board. May some of those responsible just rot in hell.


Well schucks Valley. That was the nicest, most civil reply I have ever gotten from you. I figure you just didn`t realize it was I. Thank you anyway, I appreciate all the kind words I can get.
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