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WHO YOU THINK WAS TARGET OF MURDERS ON APRIL 11TH, 1981
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WHO WAS TARGET OF THAT NIGHT
SUE
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 41%  [ 7 ]
TINA
23%
 23%  [ 4 ]
JOHN JOHN/DANA/CRAIG
35%
 35%  [ 6 ]
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:42 pm    Post subject: WHO YOU THINK WAS TARGET OF MURDERS ON APRIL 11TH, 1981 Reply with quote

LETS SEE WHAT PEOPLE THINK?
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

by the way i am trying to see what people are thinking
not to prove anything
valley brought this concept up so i am following thru
with it
I AM NOT TRYING TO PROVE ANYTHING!
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 26, 2007 9:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craig getting your ass kicked doesnt constitute you as a target in all of this!! it just means you got your ass kicked. your alive stop pretending you were a victim in all of this. you cant prove that your beating was in any way related to this crime so stop acting like it is.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 6:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

never said it did
but it did happen sweatpea..THE SEVERE BEATING
and the other shioot happened all within
4 months of each other....ripoff(s?), murders
and the beatings.

TELL ME IF THAT IS A LITTLE ODD TO YOU?
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 27, 2007 7:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

craig wrote:
never said it did
but it did happen sweatpea..THE SEVERE BEATING
and the other shioot happened all within
4 months of each other....ripoff(s?), murders
and the beatings.

TELL ME IF THAT IS A LITTLE ODD TO YOU?
Are the following somewhat related by your line of logic;
April 11 Larry Holmes beats Trevor Holmes in 15 for heavyweight boxing title
April 11 Race riot in London area of Brixton
April 11 Ronald Reagan arrives home from hospital after Hinkley shot him
April 11 Valerie Bertinelli marries Eddie Van Halen
April 12 45th Golf Masters Championship: Tom Watson wins, shooting a 280
April 12 Donna Caponi Young wins LPGA American Defender/WRAL Golf Classic
April 12 Emmy News and Documentaries Award presentation
April 12 Maiden voyage of space shuttle Columbia
April 13 Pulitzer prize awarded to Beth Henley for "Crimes of the Heart"
April 13 Washington Post Janet Cooke wins Pulitzer Prize (later admits story a hoax)
April 14 1st Space Shuttle-Columbia 1-returns to Earth
April 15 Janet Cooke says her Pulitzer award 8-year-old heroin addict story is a lie, Washington Post relinquishes Pulitzer Prize on fabricated story
April 16 Columbia space shuttle returns
April 16 "Copperfield" opens at ANTA Theater New York City for 13 performances
April 17 Isle Potvin's 3 playoff power-play goals tie NHL record vs Oilers
April 17 Ranger's Anders Hedberg is 2nd to score on a Stanley Cup penalty shot
April 18 Pawtucket and Rochester start a 33-inning baseball game
April 19 Beth Daniel wins LPGA Florida Lady Citrus Golf
April 19 Oakland A's runs record to 11-0
April 19 Rochester Red Wings and Pawtucket Red Sox play to 2-2 tie in 32 innings, game suspended at 4:07 AM (Pawtucket later wins in 33rd)
April 19 William Finn's musical "March of Falsettos," premieres in New York City
April 20 10th Boston Women's Marathon won by Allison Roe of NZ in 2:26:46
April 20 85th Boston Marathon won by Toshihiko Seko of Japan in 2:09:26
April 20 Final performance of TV show "Soap" airs
April 20 Rocker Papa John Phillips arrested for drug possession
April 21 U.S. furnish $1 billion in arms to Saudi-Arabia
April 22 10,000 copper workers in Chile strike
April 22 Almost 1 million West German metal workers in strike
April 22 Dodgers rookie Fernando Valenzuela tosses his 3rd shutout in 4 starts
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 28, 2007 7:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I AM TALKING ABOUT THOSE THINGS HAPPENING IN A SMALL COMMUNITY LIKE QUINCY
2,500 POPULATION AND THE CIRCUMSTANCES ARE A LITTLE
ODD
WOULDNT YOU THINK?
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 10:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nope. people get there asses kicked every day craig. small town or not.
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 29, 2007 3:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, this discussion will go nowhere until you recognize the other potential targets. It's right in the archives. perhaps if your mind was really as fertile as mine, you could play all the scenarios off against each other until you see the light.

Trivia question:::: What did Justin really hear that night? AND WHAT MIGHT HE HAVE ALREADY KNOWN???????????
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

VALLEY
UNTIL SOMEONE PROVES THERE IS OTHER TARGETS
AND PROVE THERE IS A CASE FOR THEM GOING AFTER
TINA 0R SUE LIKE THAT CAUSED THESE MURDERS
THE POINT AS I HAVE STATED IS MUTE AND NOT RELIABLE.

GIVE ME SOME REASONS AND BACK THEM UP WITH PROOF.
THANKS!
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, again I ask the stupid question: How much clearer can it get??????????

Please read what I said. Oh, and it's already been mentioned in here, no proof is necessary.
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PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2007 12:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

ok
no proof necessary huh
so why yeah guys rag on me for having no proof
and say your a fooking liar
you are such an a*sho*e craig
etc etc
BULLSHIOOT
OK
BULLSHIOOT
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 1:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Craig, the hint is right there in the last line of my post. Are you trying to play "denialist" on us??

If I have to spell it out for ya'll, here goes:

DEE SUPPOSEDLY SAYS HE'S SURE MARTY AND BO DIDN'T DO IT. NOW WHY WOULD THAT BE??????? (what does he know, and when did he know it.) My, that is such a useful little saying...........
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PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2007 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Poor Sheila was pregnant at 13 or 14. I know this happens sometimes. But that is a very young age for a child to be pregnant. Is there a possibility that Tina could also have been pregnant when she was abducted? Could she have been carrying a big secret that had to be kept quiet indefinitely?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 1:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'd rather not even talk about that. Not without some concrete intel. Fingers would really start pointing then.

But if you would like to change that to "molested," then the answer might be that they did look at that. And have come up empty, but never ruled it out.

I understand why you're asking the question, exactly why. I hope everyone else does also.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 8:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

As Tina is my main purpose for being on this board, the very thought of such a thing, quite honestly, hurts my heart. I want to know what happened to her. I believe that she may have been molested, or at the very least, was the potential target of a predator. As Valley said, so far the "intel" is fairly non-existent. I, personally, have done some research in this area and plan to do more, but so far, there has been very little in the way of information.

Did she have a big secret? Quite possible. The question is - what secret?

At this point, my thought is that the crime scene was staged. If that is true, what were the Perp(s) really after? and why? If the scene was staged, to me, it points to Tina being the target and that's why she was taken. Someone wanted her, killed three other people to get her, and made it look like a random act of incredible violence......

Food for thought..................

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley said:

"But if you would like to change that to "molested," then the answer might be that they did look at that. And have come up empty, but never ruled it out. "

Of course they came up empty. The murderers have been able to remain free all these years. You don't think they'd be experts at covering up their tracks in molesting children as well?
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:39 pm    Post subject: stop casting dispersions on others' character Reply with quote

hey meeks and sassy!!! Loving and missing you very much!!!

First off, I had to exit this gd board due to the lackluster appeal of the insinuations and theories everyone has been throwing around. I get an email from one of our very protective family members and PRESTO, my feathers are ruffled. I see Craig, who was leaving a long time ago, is still a clear and present danger to himself-and he created a cool survey, who was the target.. I will tell you who the target was, it was MY FAMILY, IT WAS SASSY'S FAMILY, IT WAS DANA'S FAMILY!!! Does it really matter who was the target, look who got hit. The implication from guest services that because Sheila was pregnant at 14, was Tina? Get the [email protected]* outta here. Tina's family was snuffed to hide a pregnancy? Who do you think she was, the governor's daughter? What the hell does that prove, except to further cast dispersions on the character of my family!! Can't you guys just go watch some CSI and SVU/Criminal Intent and go on with your lives. F word!!!

I have said this before and I say this again!! NONE OF YOU GUYS WOULD HAVE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT IF I DIDN'T INVITE JOSH HANCOCK INTO OUR LIVES TO HELP WITH SOME DAMN CLOSURE. THE EVENTS 26 YEARS AGO DEVASTED MORE THAN ONE PERSON AND YOU GUYS THROW YOUR IDEAS AROUND WITH YOUR FREAKIN' THEORIES WITH ABSOLUTELY NO REGARD TO THE SURVIVING FAMILY MEMBERS. GD!!! WHAT THE HELL WOULD YOU GUYS BE TALKING ABOUT TODAY IF MY AUNT, COUSINS AND DANA WEREN'T KILLED 26 YEARS AGO. ARE YOUR LIVES CLEARLY THAT EMPTY? YOU ARE ALL ALIVE, NOW GO MAKE THE BEST OF IT!!

FOR THOSE OF YOU MAKING POT SHOTS AT RICHARD- GO AWAY THIS GUY HAS MORE CHARACTER IN HIS LITTLE FINGER AND I AM PROUD TO CALL HIM FAMILY..

FOR THOSE OF YOU CRITICIZING MY COUSIN, IF IT WEREN'T FOR HER TRAGEDY, YOUR LIFE WOULD PROBABLY CEASE TO EXIST. YOU ARE F'ING SCUM. YOU ARE WORSE THAN THOSE THAT TOOK HER MOTHER, BROTHER AND SISTER.. YOU PRAY ON THE VULNERABILITIES OF OTHERS AND SHOULD BE PUT OUT OF YOUR MISERY!!!

For those of you just trying to find your own closure, as you too were so affected by this event, just know that it doesn't matter if they ever find out who did it, the victims are gone and are finally at peace. They would want you to be at peace and making the most of your life, because you never know when it will end. Give your family a hug and a kiss and just be thankful to share your life with your loved ones, because there's a lot of people that don't have that luxury!!
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I understand your anger. However, there are still at least 2 violent, deranged murderers walking free. They're not only murderers, they could also be child kidnappers/molesters. They are a danger to society. So it is our business to be here. We could live near the area. We could want justice for our own benefit as well.

If these two were caught they would have to stand trial under "The State of California versus" whoever it is. I am the state of California.

We may never play a big part in solving this case. But there is also a chance we actually could. I am a citizen that is very thankful for anyone that helps to solve a crime. And it happens all the time.

Your cousin doesn't have to visit this board if it is so upsetting. And neither do you.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 10:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest:

The fact of the matter is that as heinous and gruesome as this murder was, it was silently swept under the rug. The law enforcement in Quincy and Plumas County was not able to deal with such an ordeal. The murderers are free and I believe this was an isolated event. Based on what I know, they (the persons responsible) are no longer alive.

You are right, my cousin doesn't need to visit this board and be subject to the nonsense, but you know, it's her right since these people are discussing information that relates to her, her specifically. Without her story, this board wouldn' exist. I think there should be some respect for Sheila. I have a feeling that there isn't one person (and I am talking about the critics and ruthless people on this board) who has had to walk a mile in her shoes, yet the rude comments and unsubstantiated assassinations of her character and that of her family absolutely infuriates me. I was the catalyst who brought attention to this event. For 20 years it was basically forgotten and then one evening life was breathed back into it and I feel guilty to have Sheila subject to this nonsense. The board was supposed to help serve a purpose and after browsing the board, I saw so much negativity and I felt I had to speak out!!

I appreciate your purpose, but remember the handle you use and the other "guest" post have stated some ridiculous claims.
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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:16 pm    Post subject: alsaca3 Reply with quote

I have a comment about your last post - I want you to know that I am not here because of Josh's film. I didn't even know about Josh's film when my interest was re-ignighted in this case.

I became interested because of some things that happened in the days before Joe Duncan went to Cort d'lene, Idaho. And then, unfortunately there is that story. The similarities between the two cases were quite shocking. I lived in Quincy in 1981 and I have family very near Cort d'lene. Too close not to make my head spin when Duncan did what he did.

And now, it is difficult to let go, because the perps were never apprehended. You indicate you think they are dead, but I don't think they are and my understanding is that PCSO doesn't think so either.

I firmly believe they need to be caught and brought to trial. If I can contribute to that somehow, I'm going to try.

However, I will also try to be respectful to your family in my efforts.

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PostPosted: Thu May 03, 2007 11:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't really understand what this is all about. First we get the sanctimonious Spencer telling us that we should all just go away because he knows for sure that his bro and Bo are absolutely not guilty. Now we get this crap out of you screaming that the killers are dead and to leave it alone.

No, I would rather have not seen that about Tina, as it is only speculation, but it does have a little grounding. Other things that have been said about Sue and Sassy have also been rather impolite, or at least better not said in public. Most of us do not see them in a bad light, at least I hope not. As far as Richard goes, that's a different story. If he has some degree of character, he could treat us with a little more respect.

"For 20 years it was basically forgotten." Yes, and why is that??? I'm sorry to have to say this, but I don't consider Mr. Hancock's video to be good investigative journalism. Now why is that??? If the killers are really dead, then why not prove it once and for all???

And just what if my target has some involvement in this?? So far I see nothing to indicate he couldn't have, but nothing on the positive side either. If he is involved, he is a real threat to people, including me if he knew what I'm thinking about him. Even if it isn't correct. This guy makes Marty look like a wuss, and I have a bad feeling about his past. People like him could do such a thing and never feel any remorse. Know anything about Benjamin Wai Silva?? My target would probably liked to have run with him. It takes about that type to have done something like this.

Bottom line: You convince no one with an attitude like that. Well, yes you do. You just convince us to work that much harder towards a resolution.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 8:37 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley
You do know that if you treat people with respect, in return they will treat you with respect, isn't that right?
So go back and look at some your posts. Idea
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 10:59 am    Post subject: Tina Reply with quote

I realize that this whole ordeal is a very painful one for the remaining family members. I cannot even begin to imagine the heartache and anger and fear they've experienced over the years. However, one of the mysteries of this case that remains is the motive. Another mystery that remains is why was Tina taken (if she was)? It appears that Tina might also have been a victim of homicide. Why then take her? Why not leave her body behind like the other victims? That question has been contemplated for years. Maybe molestation was a motive for taking her...very painful to think about. But this could very well be an aspect of this case. Something that has to be considered. It is not completely unreasonable then to consider the possibility that Tina might have been pregnant. And it in NO WAY REFLECTS NEGATIVELY ON HER OR HER FAMILY. She was only an innocent child. Perhaps that's why she was taken so far away from the scene. It took years to discover her remains. If she were abducted someone went to great lengths to conceal her whereabouts and remains.

I agree that this was just a regular family, struggling to make it like everyone else. Why target them? But there are evil people in the world that do evil things. And sometimes they commit murder to hide their evil deeds. Maybe these perpetrators haven't committed any other crimes since. But maybe they have and they're just flying under the radar. In either case, if they are still alive they need to be put away. They need to be locked up for the remainder of their lives. Because they have more than demonstrated their evil and potential to do great harm.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 11:28 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Ok guest
Tina could have been the target just like anyone of the other 3 victims. I will assure you that Tina could not have been pregnant.
Thank you Valley on your comment as well.
Now can you understand why I get so defensive or very angry on here and do not want to post?
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2007 7:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

guest, if tina was pregnant like you are kind of suggesting, the pcso would know this. therefore sassy and remaining family would know this. they say she wasnt. not one person in here as any reason to doubt what the family says when it comes to things like this. there is really no way to prove that she was molested unless she talked to someone about it. but who?
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