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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Kobyashi,

There were 2 other message boards prior to this one. The first, operated by the author of the now unavailable (And never widely distributed) documentary, Josh Hancock, was hacked. I'm not clear on what happened to the second one. I think that it had to do with Josh moving on to different areas of work in his life and shutting it down (Don't quote me on that though, I'm not 100% sure). On the main page of this website there is a link "Old Message Board" that Jesse has posted some of the main topics from the old message board. From what I read I think some of them got deleted when he was doing something to reorganize the site and he hasn't been able to recover them yet. There are definitely some threads farther back on this website about it.

I, too, think that this website would be a little better if there weren't quite as many Guests, but just speculating, maybe they want people to feel free to give their information on the crime without feeling like they have to reveal who they are? I'm not sure, but a couple people have asked that, and I can't remember the answer.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:39 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Don't you find it odd that every quest for back story only leads to a dead end? Disappearing websites, posts, documentaries, books... I haven't seen this kind of cover up since the third shooter on the grassy knoll. Do you think Jimmy Hoffa may have been buried under Cabin 28 and that's why they tore it down?
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:40 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

There used to be a lot of websites that allowed guest postings, and most blogs do.

Trolls pretty much put an end to that a while back as far as message boards are concerned. Actually I just hate registering for things if I don't have to, so it's kinda cool that they allow guest postings.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Anonymous wrote:
Don't you find it odd that every quest for back story only leads to a dead end? Disappearing websites, posts, documentaries, books... I haven't seen this kind of cover up since the third shooter on the grassy knoll. Do you think Jimmy Hoffa may have been buried under Cabin 28 and that's why they tore it down?


There is a lot of what I consider dubious things concerning this, but as Not Sure said, there has at least been some info given that we can use to research offline (calls to papers, county records offices) that might prove those of us skeptical wrong. And as I've said , I'll admit it if I was wrong.

I agree on that documentary tho...I read that thread and no one seems willing to share it.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Guest 2-Electric Boogaloo wrote:
Okay, seriously?

1) I doubt you can find something online about every murder ever. Not every murder is archive worthy.



You're correct. However, a quadruple murder with that amount of gore, with kids in a bedroom right next door unharmed? That's archive worthy. That's NY times worthy, LA times worthy, quotes from the governor worthy, CNN worthy, you name it. This is not REAL.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

From what I've been able to find through old posts and questions is that the documentary focused mostly on Marty Smartt and Bo as being the suspects and didn't explore many other options. Josh wrote on here that he stopped distributing the documentary because he has moved on for the time being to focusing on other areas of work. Those weren't his exact words, but I know the post is back in this board's history. He did post the other day after Lady Cash contacted him that he was looking into getting it burned on DVDs so that he could start distributing it with the increase in interest on here. Jesse also said the he would let us know if he got a hold of a copy.

I don't think anyone has mentioned anything about a book being published until today, when someone pointed out Jesse's Myspace, but I could be mistaken.

I'm not sure about the old websites thing, but I don't think it's completely unbelievable that it could have been hacked. Maybe an older member who remembers more could give you some more information about this.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope Jesse's not writing a book. He can't even spell things right on his company's website. If he does publish, I hope he has a good editor.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Missy,
My bad, I should have said "investigator". Either way he doesn't know his job. I'm not bothering with this person anymore. I'm such a big bad meany. Laughing You were right I was originally talking to Amused that had the "SMIRK". I see you have no problem finding the same items I did. Did you take it that "they", as in "guest"-(that way you can't tell who is saying what), were saying we're just a bunch of dumb hicks that are easily taken in? Rolling Eyes Well I'm a goin fishin and they can take a long walk off a short pier. I hope you have a good weekend!
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:55 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The original message board on this subject was created by Josh Hancock.

The website was done very well. I'm not sure how long it lasted. But I remember there were some technical problems for awhile. Then when you tried to access the site it was a different image on the home page. It was a devil's face along with large font text of the lyrics (I think) from The Village People's, "Macho, Macho Man." Then the site just went down shortly after the strange picture and lyrics appeared.

Does anyone else remember it?
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 7:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One last point - at least for now. You know that award-winning journalist that was supposedly writing a book but pulled it because of "pressure?" Try googling that name. The only thing close to a journalist that comes up in a blogger that created a site for his hometown to trade stories back and forth on. What award did this guy win? Who did he write for?
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dave Keller wrote a book that wasn't published. His is the book that was "pulled" for legal reasons. He is very forthcoming with info as well. My understanding is he lives in or near Quincy now. PM him and see what you get.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

*Edit: Oops, misread =p
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:10 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I would if I could but Josh just started burning some more and they aren't distributed yet. I have everything to do it. I even suggested they put it up for paid downloads to pay for webhosting or whatever. The only similarity to "The Strangers" is the home invasion angle. Hollywood uses "based on actual events" fairly loosely.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 8:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Indeed, Dave Keller has a published book. It's titled, "An Almost Perfect Murder."
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thank you Blueskeyes. I found it. Completely out of print and unavailable. But it was the first thing I found that actually exists on a real site that has anything to do with this case. Dave Keller is a real person and actually wrote a book, that he paid to have published through an indy publishing site. But at least he's a real person.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:14 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Oh, apparently, this was on Unsolved Mysteries. I'm trying to find out more about that.

I found it on a crime blog in 2006. In theory, you could claim that it's still viral, since the movie has been delayed for two years, but with the issues the shooting actually had, I doubt viral stuff was high priority.
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Hey Im new to this and I've found quite a few different newspaper articles. If I eventually post enough I will start posting the links to them. In fact if you look up a more recent murder case Wolfe Lodge Bay/ Brenda Groene you will find that it is often compared to the Keddie murders. I guess the police that are interested in the similarities of the murders must be in on the great conspiracy since this is fake. No no wait lets see I got it ok. This movie was going into production so someone made a horrible story up about these people getting murdered and when people didn't fall for it they decided they would actually make it happen so they could make more money off the movie. My gosh this happened in 1981 a lot of newspapers archives don't go back that far but it really isn't hard to find at least some type of reference to the murders. So if I rambled a bit. It's past my bed time and I'm a bit sleepy.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

kobyashi wrote:
Thank you Blueskeyes. I found it. Completely out of print and unavailable. But it was the first thing I found that actually exists on a real site that has anything to do with this case. Dave Keller is a real person and actually wrote a book, that he paid to have published through an indy publishing site. But at least he's a real person.


Yes a real live person who claims to have been an editor for 8 years yet when asked why a suicide notice didn't appear in a paper alleging that the person left a not saying they were the perp he says this :

"Two reasons it's not coming online:

First, as a policy, the Feather River Bulletin does cover suicides. At least that was the case during the eight years I was editor there.

Second, not every story that appears in the newspaper is available online. Even those that appear online are shorter. They have a link at the bottom of the shortened story that says, "Click here for more information" or something like that. When you click, you are asked to subscribe to the newspaper. An old marketing gimmick that I, regrettably, suggested and implemented there.

Dave Keller"

Now we have ....an editor who doesn't know the difference between does and don't? Because as I will show you, ....he then says something else.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Additionally, whois(dot)net says the website was created in September, 2005. They would NOT be doing viral THAT early.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Alex wrote:
kobyashi wrote:
Thank you Blueskeyes. I found it. Completely out of print and unavailable. But it was the first thing I found that actually exists on a real site that has anything to do with this case. Dave Keller is a real person and actually wrote a book, that he paid to have published through an indy publishing site. But at least he's a real person.


Yes a real live person who claims to have been an editor for 8 years yet when asked why a suicide notice didn't appear in a paper alleging that the person left a not saying they were the perp he says this :

"Two reasons it's not coming online:

First, as a policy, the Feather River Bulletin does cover suicides. At least that was the case during the eight years I was editor there.

Second, not every story that appears in the newspaper is available online. Even those that appear online are shorter. They have a link at the bottom of the shortened story that says, "Click here for more information" or something like that. When you click, you are asked to subscribe to the newspaper. An old marketing gimmick that I, regrettably, suggested and implemented there.

Dave Keller"

Now we have ....an editor who doesn't know the difference between does and don't? Because as I will show you, ....he then says something else.


Following up he says this:

"The newspaper's policy was pretty clear, and I doubt it has changed. The Bulletin simply does not print suicides. Here is the reasoning: A crime has not occurred. It's a privacy issue. There's no news value in it.

There are exceptions. For example, if someone held law enforcement at bay and Highway 70 was shut down for several hours, chances are decent if would qualify as news. It's no longer a private matter of someone taking their own life. It's more a matter of someone involving the public; that's news. A murder-suicide, in most instances, would qualify as news. There are other reasons something would qualify as news. Generally speaking, decisions are made on a case-by-case basis.

A drifter who killed himself, while sad, is not news.

I'm probably over-simplifying the matter.

Dave K"

The first thing I noticed here was the huge amount of spelling errors.

Now I'm to believe an editor...for 8 years .....made a 'typo' . Twice actualy. The first time he wrote the post were he says does as a shorter version of that post I first quoted. It's on page 8 under the topic 'New Information'.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:28 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

50% of all editors graduated at the bottom half of their class!
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I'm sorry, but I don't jump through hoops for anyone anymore. Yes, the video exists, I have my copy of it. I have no idea how many were distributed, maybe less than 100.

It is too slanted in my view to be good investigative journalism. Way too many loose ends. Also Mr. Hancock did state that he has been told other things later on that have caused him to change his mind about what happened.

This is essentially the same thing that Mr. Keller said about why his book was not published. Plus the fact that the market for such a book is so small that it isn't financially feasible in many cases.

Mr. Keller's other book is about the "non-accidental" death of Ronna Franklin in a snowmobile accident up there around 10 years ago. It took her father, Ron Howard of Loomis, and his attorney much time and money to insist upon trying the case against her husband.

Bluey, you are correct in what you said. I believe the hacking took place on June 13, 2005. This is during the time Joe Boy Duncan was on the run with Dylan and Shasta, and it has always been my contention that he was responsible for the hacking. It's possible I could be wrong, but I won't elaborate on that.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:32 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well I'm pretty sure the sun times is rather reliable and it has also made reference to the Keddie murders as part of one of the nations worst unsolved murders. I have a tendancy to believe they aren't making crap up.
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PostPosted: Sat May 24, 2008 9:33 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Valley Flyer wrote:
I'm sorry, but I don't jump through hoops for anyone anymore. Yes, the video exists, I have my copy of it. I have no idea how many were distributed, maybe less than 100.

It is too slanted in my view to be good investigative journalism. Way too many loose ends. Also Mr. Hancock did state that he has been told other things later on that have caused him to change his mind about what happened.

This is essentially the same thing that Mr. Keller said about why his book was not published. Plus the fact that the market for such a book is so small that it isn't financially feasible in many cases.

Mr. Keller's other book is about the "non-accidental" death of Ronna Franklin in a snowmobile accident up there around 10 years ago. It took her father, Ron Howard of Loomis, and his attorney much time and money to insist upon trying the case against her husband.

Bluey, you are correct in what you said. I believe the hacking took place on June 13, 2005. This is during the time Joe Boy Duncan was on the run with Dylan and Shasta, and it has always been my contention that he was responsible for the hacking. It's possible I could be wrong, but I won't elaborate on that.


Ahh so once again we see someone who has something that can silence the skeptics, but has a convenient reason for not providing it. Why am I not surprised.
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