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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 23, 2016 2:51 am

Ever get the feeling DT and Loon were between the sheets long before Marty could make two plus two equal one eighty four?

As for the 'written and signed confession' in the first article, let's blow that up. It's the hate poem written by Marty to Loon from the Arcade Hotel. It's quite simply no SIGNED CONFESSION. However, it really is. "Now I've paid for your love with four lives"

Loon had three kids. In 26, Loon had Casey and her daughter and Justin living there, never all three at once. Marty spermed five kids by his first wife. "FOUR" never equates with any phase of Marty's life with any of his kids. Marty says he "paid with four lives" in the immediate aftermath of the murders he committed.

    "Marilyn I've paid the price! I've given my flesh and blood for you. I'll glad Ly pay your bills. Just send them___IN! You know that I love You more than my own KIDS. Can you say that? I know you have given up a lot to be with me. But I don't think you know what I've paid. Yes I'm Jealous! For the price I've given I should be. You can't seem to understand how bad , you've hurt me. I'm crawling back!

    Take me! I've paid for your love. Please give it back at least once."

It goes on and on:

    "I don't think you ever Loved me much Less my kids and yet you expect this from me & I've given it to you. I've paid the price of your Love & Now I've Bought it with Four peoples lives, you tell me we are Through. Great! what else do you want?"

Note Marty's intended emphasis on words (screaming) by his use of cap letters. Note he's NOT talking about any possible assimilation of his kids, Loon's kids, anyone's kids. Not even KIDS. He said LIVES. "I've bought it with Four peoples lives". He knows the number but doesn't seem to give a fuck-all about the worth of life.

OK, here's where I get really angry. This shit has been up on the forum for YONKS and most see Marty was talking about the four dead at 28. What's missing?

WHAT IS MISSING?!???

He's telling this confession to Loon in a manner where he's expecting her to come running back to him for 'making' him kill four people. "I did it for you" is what you say to someone FULLY INVOLVED.

Marty, in his own words, is stating Marilyn was also FULLY FUCKING INVOLVED. This isn't a confession so much as a love letter between two killers. "I BROUGHT A MOUSE FOR YOU. IGNORE THE OTHER THREE- THEY WERE ACCIDENTS"

Admittedly, this is my equation of what Marty is saying to a co-conspirator, Loon:

Look, you bitch. I fucking love you. Yeah, we did Sue and the others. That was supposed to smooth things over between us. We worked on this, we did it, four are dead instead of just Sue, and now you're still fucking me around? Yes, I am a dumb cocksucker. OK, OK now all I can do is threaten you and everyone else.

I'll kill you then me, after I blow up all of Plumas."

Yeah, that's my semi-interpretation of Marty's words. Call me wrong.

I DARE YOU.

See how angry these assholes were before, during, and after the murders they committed? They demote my shenanigans to a feeble, diseased tadpole a toddler would extinguish with a not-yet-bronzed shoe.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 23, 2016 4:43 am

I'm not sure what you mean. Are you asking about things on the table in the Keddie Room, next to Sheila's left hand, when she and Gam posed for a photo? I can match most of what's seen by memory, but I don't believe PCSO intended that shot to be so specific. My bet is the director/producer said, "put evidence on the table" but that table is normally filled with other shit. That much I know. Krist, the way Hag and Gam pulled documents out of left field?! When I was escorted from the bathroom to Hag's office to the Keddie room, that table was a very clean clusterfuck.

It's a great shot of Sheila and Gamberg. Nothing in that foto is earth-shattering, unless you slept through Godzilla bumping your bed over the last 60 years, but there is stuff in that photo I've never seen PCSO specifically admit to. Well, they said it in press but not in photos.

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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby thumper001 » Wed Nov 23, 2016 5:02 am

Dmac, I think your interpretation is right on. It almost seems in his own idiotic way Marty knew Loon was jerking him around, but went through with it anyway hoping for a positive result regarding his relationship with Loon.
I think the most telling part is " "I don't think you ever Loved me much Less my kids and yet you expect this from me & I've given it to you." The " you expect this from me " to me indicates this was somehow Loons idea. I may be way off base,what do you think?
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby Myrion » Wed Nov 23, 2016 9:45 am

I'm glad to see there will be some national attention for this case again. Great work from Dmac.

And I see Sheila was there for a photo op, although I suspect she was likely asked to do it.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dntblvu » Wed Nov 23, 2016 3:27 pm

So marylin and sue knew each other enough for sue to advise her to leave marty. Why would marylin then say she barely knew sue? And why would she have wanted to get rid of sue if sue was trying to help her?
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 23, 2016 7:25 pm

C'mon, stop sniffing- much less drinking- the glue.

Loon said she knocked on Sue's door. Nope, never fucking happened. Loon has claimed she knew Sue well, barely knew her, and only knew her from tea function. Fuck me, Loon is a KILLER.

Don't buy their words. Work with, and around, them to build reality. Their very statements- and lies- are the architecture of the murders.

dntblvu. don't take my supposed witticism as an insult. The truth is so horrid, these assholes used anything at their disposal. Their version of 'disposal' included four innocent lives, so they weren't digging for morals.

The murders crushed a community and webs of families. The LE coverup, on the other hand, destroys America. I'm not on board with either bullshit lie.

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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dntblvu » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:21 am

Marylin talked to sue about marty, and or sue witnessed marty being an ass, is why she advised marylin to leave him. Ok. Was marylin telling marty behind sues back, things she said, to plot marty harming sue, knowing his temper, so then she would be able to escape him if he was locked up? Ok. That makes no sense, because he wasn't locked up, unless marylins talk with doug changed the plan. Because of drugs and marylin involved, even if only using, she was told to shut up and let him handle things and he'd make sure marty left. Am I following?
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Thu Nov 24, 2016 1:48 pm

I believe Marty did have a major fixation on Sue, and that underpinned his motives. To have Loon belching that Sue was telling her to leave Marty, whether true or not, is the work of a sociopath who blames others for her own fucked life. That's Loon to a tee. Marty complained that Loon had talked about Sue fucking with their marriage. Sue had left an abusive child rapist and was about as involved with her kids as the killers. She was no fucking hero in this. She had no care for ERA. She was remote, and I think she would distance herself from Loon as the shallow cunt Loon is. Loon showed no indication of liberation from an abusive husband. In fact, she indicated 180 emotions and choices. I think Sue had decent radar, and chose to be distant, remote, sexually promiscuous yet openly aloof. Sue didn't give one solid damn about Marilyn or 26, so Loon is LYING. Sue is collateral damage for something Sue never brought upon herself, or anyone in 28. The motives are BULLSHIT, and Marilyn has a noose for her last day. INSTIGATOR.

Sue was giving away sex, even to Dareyl, but not to Marty. That made Blue Balls very angry and Sue a target for a rough-up. Loon was burping in his face about all of it.

Why would they target Sue? Back to Marty for some solid insight.

Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is a sociopath with a 70 year history as a manipulator, user, bitch. At least the first 15 years should expose abuse she suffered, but I don't allow passing the buck as an excuse. Look at the abuse Sue suffered, she never instigated it. She chose to be remote, uninvolved, helpless, and ALLOWED IT while breaking down to recluse status. EVERYTHING we know about Sue is she was a newly realized sexpot who didn't give a damn about the welfare of her kids. She married an asshole sexual predator while underage, and was cleaning up in the last days of the 70s sexual revolution. No harm there, other than she clearly ignored her real life: MOTHER. For that, she failed COMPLETELY. That's why so many, including Sheila, lie bullshit bullshit.

Blaming Sue as one reason Loon was leaving Marty is a key ingredient in these murders. Loon not only was a full participant in the crimes, she's the cunt that initiated them. And it was her last night out with her already former husband. He knew it was coming, but this was an intended break point Loon thought and realized. Is that a coincidence, or her ultimate insult?

April 11 was Marty's fake birthday, and cabin 28 was their version of a party. Having Bo there, his new pappy figure who he clearly adored and would do anything to please, made Marty far more cocky and unforgiving than he normally was. That's why a home invasion escalated so quickly to mass murder. Having Bo there also meant there was no backing down. Once blood was spilled, the rest was an ugly formality. Bo wanted no witnesses, Marty and Loon countered with the forced participation of the boys. After 35 years, the shit those boys were put through is clearly still working.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dntblvu » Thu Nov 24, 2016 2:08 pm

Thanks. What evil people.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby leenie963 » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:39 pm

thumper001 wrote:Dmac, I think your interpretation is right on. It almost seems in his own idiotic way Marty knew Loon was jerking him around, but went through with it anyway hoping for a positive result regarding his relationship with Loon.
I think the most telling part is " "I don't think you ever Loved me much Less my kids and yet you expect this from me & I've given it to you." The " you expect this from me " to me indicates this was somehow Loons idea. I may be way off base,what do you think?


I about posted the same point of view thumper. I've have been of the belief that Marilyn instigated Marty and you and Dmac just nailed it for me.

Two parts in crime. The intent and the action. The mental element to commit a crime and then action of the crime itself. So what was Marty's motive? What was going on in his head? What was the influence that gave him that mental shove to commit these murders? It wasn't just that he was a psycho asshole who abhorred women and girls, the argument with his female boss and subsequent firing... what truly MOTIVATED him was Marilyn instigating him with LIES about Sue interfering in their marriage. He was desperate to save his marriage to her. He knew of her infidelities (didn't know about Wade just yet). Marilyn of all people would know which "make Marty lose it" button to push. She has proven to be the consummate liar, the victim of her own life choices that points her blaming finger with the devil made me do it excuse after excuse. (loved the one where Marty threatens to kill her and her kids and she's terrified yet he brings her flowers and suddenly he is charming) She thinks her lies absolves her, protects her. Her youth and looks are gone so she can't manipulate men with promises of Sex and the City action and now she hides behind age, memory loss bi-polar depression, the bible...you name it. Her lies have been exposed over the years...what else does she have? That tangled web of lies she's told all these years is now her noose.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby JEP » Thu Nov 24, 2016 10:10 pm

dmac I'm so excited for Monday. I sincerely hope that when this case comes out of the shadows that pressure will be placed on LE to use the evidence they have and publicly solve this case once and for all. The case, in actuality, has been solved for quite some time, thanks to your efforts, but it needs closure from an official standpoint.

I agree with you, I think Marilyn was the mastermind behind these murders. I think she is far more dangerous and mentally ill than either Marty or Bo. She is a sociopath, psychopath, narcissist, sadist, you name it. She wanted out of that marriage and she wanted to be with Wade, and by God, she didn't care who or what the collateral damage was going to be. She knew if Marty killed Sue, she had her get out of marriage free card. She held ALL the cards after the murders. She even involved her own son in the murders to keep him quiet. You have to be a special kind of sick monster to do that. Marilyn was the puppet master. She is the key.

I don't know why the investigation was handled the way it was, why the big coverup? Someone told the cops to stand down, why or who, I don't know. I wouldn't even put it past Marilyn to be part of this too.

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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby rcarlisle001 » Fri Nov 25, 2016 7:53 pm

dmac wrote:Blaming Sue as one reason Loon was leaving Marty is a key ingredient in these murders. Loon not only was a full participant in the crimes, she's the cunt that initiated them. And it was her last night out with her already former husband. He knew it was coming, but this was an intended break point Loon thought and realized. Is that a coincidence, or her ultimate insult?

April 11 was Marty's fake birthday, and cabin 28 was their version of a party. Having Bo there, his new pappy figure who he clearly adored and would do anything to please, made Marty far more cocky and unforgiving than he normally was. That's why a home invasion escalated so quickly to mass murder. Having Bo there also meant there was no backing down. Once blood was spilled, the rest was an ugly formality. Bo wanted no witnesses, Marty and Loon countered with the forced participation of the boys. After 35 years, the shit those boys were put through is clearly still working.



I see it all the exact same way dmac. Marilyn instigated the whole thing. She sits around so smug feigning memory loss and hiding behind the Bible but truly has no soul beneath her facade. She made Marty hate Sue, probably out of her own jealousy of a hot new single woman in the neighborhood. Her depravity is mind blowing as to the depths she's willing to fuck up her own son to get whatever results she sought out of manipulating Marty into it. She meant it as the last ultimate insult, I'm certain of that. After she fed her ego one last time with what she could get Marty to do for her. She is the most evil of them all and I hope they finally put her ass away along with DT and Dee Lake. Enough of the BS.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Fri Nov 25, 2016 9:56 pm

Here's the latest People piece, A Daughter’s 35-Year Fight For Justice

Here's the link to the trailer for the TV episode:

http://www.investigationdiscovery.com/t ... estigates/
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Sat Nov 26, 2016 10:26 am

Another vid / preview located here.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Sat Nov 26, 2016 8:39 pm

Another 32,000 hits today as of 9 PM. That's over 250,000 in the past six days, with not a single mention of this site in any of the media... Thankfully, or the site may have crashed from all the traffic.

I've also hooked the site up to Cloudflare, a content delivery network which serves a cached version the site, further relieving traffic strain on my server. This may cause some slightly slower service when visiting the site, but the alternative could be as bad as no site at all.

I highly recommend those looking for new posts on the forum first sign onto the forum, then visit this link to see the latest posts. It works on Mozilla/Firefox and IE, but not Opera or Chrome.

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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Sun Nov 27, 2016 3:35 am

I went to the library yesterday to update the forum. They don't yet have the Keddie issue of PEOPLE in stock, but I was able to download and watch the two trailers for the upcoming TV show. Glad to see I'm in neither!

I'm not a fan of TV crime recreations, but was surprised by the accuracy and attention to detail in the two brief clips I saw. They must have access to many property departments, otherwise I can't see how, in 2016 LA, they were able to procure a couch fabric pattern so close to the real thing. The only couch I recall seeing on TV that's a better match was on another show I worked on, Roseanne.

I despised working on that show but, even when Barr hooked up and created Barrnold Productions with Tom (where everyone quit or got fired on a daily basis), the company were still putting out one of the most authentic, funny, true-to-life family sitcoms in the history of the genre or television itself.

Unlike Seinfeld and Friends and so many other shite shows that I grew to hate (based on how assholy the production companies were), even years after the burden of the working environments wore off, those shows simply aren't funny or worth watching. I hated working on Roseanne, but at least I respect and love the show.

Ignore the quilt and look at the fabric and design of the couch itself. The back and arms of Sue's couch weren't rollback, nor was the back so high, but otherwise the size and shape is a near-perfect match. Of course, the back cushions were pullaway rather than stuffed, as Sue's couch was a pullout, and the seat cushions had no beaded seam. Otherwise...

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PS: since when does COSMO, the magazine for uppercrass, genteeliviled ladies, resort to pushing 35 year old mass murders as a selling point? Perhaps they've a designer's thoughts on the trendiness of Sue's pink pantsuit found near the swinging bridge? Or they have a questionnaire for perfectly matching a millionaire divorcee with her perfect killer lover? "Top Ten Signs You're Losing Mr. Right to the Electric Chair"
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby Magnum PI » Sun Nov 27, 2016 9:13 pm

So many lies in this case it's hard to count them all. So many lives destroyed. Before this case I assumed that all Law Enforcement was good. But once I got involved, I quickly learned that just the opposite was true. I'm excited to see the program tomorrow.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Mon Nov 28, 2016 11:35 am

Here's the latest article:

http://people.com/crime/keddie-cabin-28 ... f-hagwood/

It's interesting that Doug Thomas and Loon are both now shying away from openly stating they and Marty were all pals. Princess and I had a convo with Doug a couple years back where he bragged and laughed about being pals with Marty. He even apparently first told the People writer, Truesdell, that they were friends but, in this article, patently denies it. It's also funny how he gave us specific details, such as how lucky they were to have him as a friend as he saved them so much on marriage counseling! Was his advice, "the family that slays together stays together?" If so, it wasn't correct.

Slyvester the Molester also says accusations that he was corrupt or involved in any way are "laughable"? Sorry, we're the ones laughing at a corrupt ex-sheriff who's shitting his pants, right alongside his pals... Marilyn, Dee, Tony, etc.

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The People Magazine Investigates airs tonight on Investigation Discovery at 10 PM ET. I won't be watching it as I don't bother with cable, but the producer promised to send a DVD. Let me know how it goes. I may have been cut out of it entirely, and if so I believe I know why.
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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby dmac » Mon Nov 28, 2016 2:12 pm

Here's a new video, posted on YT.

My library still doesn't have the new People in stock, but I found it at a store and read it. The site isn't mentioned or credited whatsoever. More later.

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Re: People Magazine Investigates

Postby Billyalshef » Mon Nov 28, 2016 3:41 pm

I have the whole family involved in watching we are taking notes for comparison , I even got the teens to clear time to read timelines . Dmac and others have really contributed to showing facts, I hope the show does the same
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