CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

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CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:47 pm

The reason I had difficulty believing the bartender's account of Sue shagging Marty is the mindblowing other shit she brought up: She gave John and Dana the ride to Keddie late Saturday night. The reason it's been secret for 35 years is she didn't want to get Kathy Beckley in trouble for her affair with Dana.

Kathy had promised them a ride, but had no gas, so she had her mom contact the bartender- mutual friends- and she went and picked the boys up later, she reckons between 10-11 pm, maybe even later. She said Keddie seemed really spooky that night- 28 was dark, no exterior lamp on, and the internal lighting was very dim. She was very uneasy, and got the hell out of there.

This account has been confirmed by two sources, a family member and Kathy herself.

So, the boys got home to Keddie around that time of night. 35 years of nagging questions solved.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Billyalshef » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:16 am

Absolutely mind blowing! I hope this has a snowball effect on people coming forward, seems even the smallest secrets can help explain so much.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:14 am

Do we know the bartender's name?

So much for Craig's bullshit story. That guy was such a liar!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:16 am

So where did the bartender pick them up? Did they go back to the Chevron station on the corner of Lawrence and Hwy 70? Did she get them at the park, near the college, or where? Do you know?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby alliharp3 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:08 am

I think what you have accomplished on this case is remarkable!! Just know you have a fan in WV I wish I had your smarts and dedication keep up the great work!!!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby budrfligh » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:27 pm

Things seem to be connecting a lot as of late. People are finally coming forward. These tiny details seem so unimportant but matter so very much. 11p.m. or later.... Latest would be bar close I'd imagine. After all the elusive J/D stories that night a credible source is dreamy! No outside light, interior dimly lit.... Did she recall if they went in the front door? I ask because they may have made their way around back towards John's room.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:40 pm

I'll have more info on this in a few days. I was talking about it to Mike a couple days back, but I'd just cut the crap out of my had and was on a pain pill, so I wasn't exactly remembering what was being said, so I cut the call short so I could get home and crash.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Dogfur » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:02 pm

If this is accurate it certainly eliminates the myriad of possibilities that the “Bad Ride” speculation brought into play. It makes the killers almost certainly Keddie ‘occupants’ on the night of 4-11. It also causes revisit to some interesting spec on the activities of J & D leading up to 1:15 muffled screams.

It is very damning to Sylvester Thomas and the crew of law enforcement ‘specialists’ that don’t seem to be interested when this info was screaming to be followed up.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby satsirk » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:43 am

Wow! It is so eerie how many people we either knew or know that have been quiet all these years and seems sickening to myself how they could...if they didn't murder anyone they should have found a way or someone to talk to. This could have saved a lot of heart ache from the "not knowing a damn thing" Shame on LE the most for not doing their job like we expect them to! I do believe they were hired to protect us, not cover up crimes of bad people. I'm talking about the past, not the present. UGH!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Ausgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:33 pm

So would this push back the estimated time of the initial attack.. a couple hours? Given the 10-11 'maybe later' time frame and the observed and unusual darkness of the place.

Were the screams heard maybe not Sue or Tina.. but a teenaged boy (Johnny, as Dana was most likely dead in the first minute they entered that house..) in terrible pain and terror? Or maybe one of the female victims was still alive at that point..

Absolutely supports that the perps returned for the staging hours later. Gotta wonder if that was Bo's idea, yeah?

Incredible, that these details are seeing light now.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby budrfligh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:03 pm

What king of automobile was used? Anything fit into sightings?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Sun Nov 05, 2017 10:59 pm

Try thinking back to when forums first popped up about this horrid crime. 2005?

I'd say far less than 10% interactive today were active then. I'd say maybe 200000% more assholes are present today, never active then.

I'd say Craig, claiming he took J&D home, is finally proved the cunt I said he was in 2006.

I'd say even outsiders recognize lots more cunts and liars than the pedo-fuck Craig have been outed as the liars they are.

Yeah, and I'd say Mike Gamberg never wasted his time after the dumb cunts we know as liars.

Unless they lied about something important, the MAGGOTS.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Mon Nov 06, 2017 2:42 am

budrfligh, you ask some of the most painful Qs since meankitty.

"I Picked up J & D later, took them to the front of 28." No light on the front of 28. That night it was a yellow bug lamp. Or was it? Back lamp was a yellow hang light off the back porch. She said it was spooky, and wanted the kids out of her car asap.

Mercy, these kids, the scum they were, ran to their deaths to protect Sue and Tina from Marty, Marilyn, Bo, Dee, Tony. Oh, those scummy kids!

Let's count the stupid, worthless shits:

Sue: bad mom, the motive, deserved a very strong slamming for not going to school.Fucking Marty, fucking Darelyl, fucking Wade, fucking two guys who died, fucking Tony Garedakis.

Sue fucked anything that moved, and not just because she grew up in a 5-kid shit father Navy household. Not a home.

The victims never deserved this, which is my sole explanation.

I believe many, after all the years of watching this case, are bummed Sue was screwing Marty.

People use Tina as an excuse not to believe the simplest explanation..

Ask yourself why Plumas NEVER give those kids the shadow of one doubt?

Those boys were caught between childhood, manhood, and death just by running into a storm, trying to protect Tina and Sue, and they died just for their shallow wonderful sin of CARING for and HELPING others.

Not one of the scared survivors has named the killers. NONE OF THE SURVIVING VICTIMS HAVE BALLS. Worthless bleeting morons, forgetting Johnny and Dana RAN to save their asses! Worthless fucking pukes.

Marilyn. Justin. Sheila. Dee. Dale. Tony. Mike. Richard. Etc Etc
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:45 am

The timing of the following 'find' is perfect. I was working on the Timeline Z reboot today, and finally found the report that lists addresses and phone numbers of witnesses who saw J&D on Sat. It includes info from Beckley, and her address. I think it answers a thousand Qs, like why were people at Downtown Trailer Park including her in a gossip bitchfest? Why were J&D seen by Van's and Chevron? When did Ms X pick them up? How did she find them?

Kathy lived about 100 yards from the Exxon, as the crow flies. She lived immediately adjacent to the Downtown TP. If following the roads, it's about 300 yards, but if you take the shortcut (go between the Chevron and the trailers, then walk south behind to Kathy's apt), It's about 175 yards.

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You don't have to be as smartt as Marde to see how easy it would be for the boys to keep in contact with Kathy, or find them nearby wouldn't take much effort.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Tue Nov 14, 2017 5:26 am

Time to shoot a couple more elephants in the room:

Sightings of J&D seem to have them moving around, disappearing for stretches of time, and reappearing elsewhere. Mainly, Exxon, Van Gas, Chevron. From Exxon, walk north to Van, cross Crescent to Chevron, cut south to Kathy's. That's the short cut to Kathy's down to the footstep.

So, the boys were possibly going back to Kathy's to update her on their lack of success. Kathy is probably still not being fully truthful, coming from a place of grief, regret, shame, embarrassment, ultimately guilt, including this bit.

Did the boys call 28, as Rick's account is noted in some reports/timelines? Or did they call the Meeks or someone else, looking for a ride? Did this info ricochet back to Sue via Nina? If so, why didn't Sue toss the kids in the car and go get them? Or had they already gone to bed, so she wouldn't leave? It's hard to trust anything coming out of 28, since both the killers and victims have been lying for decades.

What we now may assume is the boys returned to Kathy, and perhaps it was their persistence which led to the family friend picking them up. At least it gave them phone access, so they may have called out for a ride. May have called home. One must read the accounts, then ask if LE is lying in the report, if the reporting party is lying, etc., and why?

These possible phone calls from Kathy's house could awaken friend AND FOE to the fact Sue was home alone and the boys were, as of say 9:30, stuck in town begging for a ride. If that were fodder to get a home invasion going, sooner than later is the premise. This invasion still didn't begin til 115, according to screams, so phone calls don't seem to have effected the beginning or outcome of the crimes. Still something to ponder.

One last thing, before the concluding bombshell. The boys could have gone in and chilled upstairs, watching TV, etc. One thing I remember from 2010, when first discussing the TV's odd position: Was it found turned on? Was the TV turned to a channel with a live station received in Keddie? After 7 years, evidence says the TV was off and remained off and was found off. Sue got tired, turned off the TV, went to bed. Next: The tape radio found on the floor. Did Johnny have a radio or stereo of any kind downstairs? If not, why not take the radio? Maybe they did, and maybe it ended up back upstairs. At any rate, I mention all of this because they are moot points: Whether John had a $5 tape deck or a Sansui stereo system with an Ortofon cartridge on the tonearm is immaterial. We'll never know at this point, and my assessment is they were hanging out downstairs in The Bachelor Pad, away from the family and doing what they wanted. I still say they were downstairs, and ran up into hell.

BOMBSHELL: The lady who dropped them off said it was eerie in Keddie, the front of 28 was unlit, and the interior was dimly lit. END OF BOMBSHELL.

DEDUCTION: The killers did NOT walk into an unlit cabin that night. Sue, probably, had left the bathroom light as a navigation and nightlight. Probably did EVERY night:

Nightlight for Tina and Greg, Navigation light for all- including John- to get to the bathroom or elsewhere. The killers used it, and probably never turned on another light. And the neighbors didn't notice it because it was the norm.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby budrfligh » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:32 pm

Ok John and Dana have had their ride confirmed. Looks like buisness as usual, potty light on but oddly no porch light? Creepy feeling not withstanding did she race away or did she see the teens get inside? Import is due to walking in front door or running upstairs. Also is there an actual time? What else did she see? Cars, blazers or green vans? Seems it was relatively deserted enough to feel creepy?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 15, 2017 1:25 am

Budr, one more moronic repetitive Q and I will go ballistic on your ass. I already have and deleted it.

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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:31 pm

someone else took the photo. This is 28 pasted in to show relief and decline, and cabin 27 (Seabolts) is gone. Duh... Both were torn down within minutes.

This is just a reminder of how 28 stood in Keddie.

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Check out the trees from the CS photos, I numbered them for you.
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