Possible relevance of Feather Falls

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Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby jhancock » Tue Oct 19, 2010 7:44 pm

One lengthy scene from Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II that did not make the final cut included information about the relevance of Father Falls as the site for Tina's abduction and eventual discovery. During the investigation, a small handful of confidential informants provided the sheriff's office with bits and pieces of information about the Feather Falls area. Here's a redacted excerpt from one of those reports:

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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby Ausgirl » Tue Oct 19, 2010 11:48 pm

Holy shit.


My stomach just did a turn. I wonder if this informant - and/or the perp(s)- were 'set up' as a familiar face in Keddie or Quincy?

Some of the information I've been delving into lately makes a lot more sense now. Thanks for posting that, Josh.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby bliss » Wed Oct 20, 2010 7:09 am

Josh... do you feel this had any relevance to the case?
Aus...will you share what you have been finding?

The thought of this makes me ill. I was a young teen up here when this happened, and it gives me the creeps.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby Ausgirl » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:10 am

I won't, bliss, but not to be secretive. Just - a/ I'm not 100% sure of it yet, though the "coincidences" just keep mounting up to some pretty stupendous proportions... I want to not come off sounding like an idiot when I say it, you know?

I'm not even sure it has bearing on this case. But the way things look, it just might, in the end.

Just as an aside, here's some articles I found re the child porn industry in the US and Canada. I have tried here to avoid collecting material written by people who think the Queen of England is really a lizard from another dimension, but where I have linked them it is for the articles quoted:

General Stuff
http://www.ciamcancun.org/eng/child_porn.html
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/goschgan ... pr05.shtml
http://www.topix.com/forum/news/jonbene ... T415TB4HPJ
http://www.declarepeace.org.uk/captain/ ... mpson.html
(the above site is pretty nutty, but the articles are interesting re high-level kid porn involvement)
http://forum.prisonplanet.com/index.php?topic=95410.0

Butte County & Child Porn
http://blateration.com/
Interesting PFF file with a really long url
http://www.care2.com/c2c/groups/disc.ht ... pst=727098
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby meankitty » Wed Oct 20, 2010 11:31 am

I have wondered about stuff like this. And I think it could be relevant. And I found the links interesting.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby Night Rider » Wed Oct 20, 2010 6:34 pm

There are a few of us who are very aware of those Butte County links, as far as that "Blateration" blog, that is only the tip of the iceberg concerning what Pam Mulaskey has said.

My problem with PM is only that her writings are rather disjointed and rambling, not to mention rather incredible at times. But no one has ever refuted anything she has said.

I have one little problem with something she once said, but it may have been stolen from her by one of the local crazies. Beyond that, it's rather personal.

When I saw that she has even tried to link Mike Ramsey's dad to playing around with kids, I figured that I don't want to even touch her writings anymore.

It should be noted that Pam's husband, Wes Peden, is related to Joe Hoover. That's the 17 year old kid that one of my shadows, Perry Bernard Warthan, was convicted of murdering back in 1982.

If you can, try searching Topix, in the Chico E-R section. Look for a poster who called himself "Norea." He had some juicy things to say about the games going on in the Chico area involving kids. He was also rather unbelievable, or maybe he wasn't?
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby jhancock » Wed Oct 20, 2010 9:39 pm

Below is another report on the same subject; for more information about the discovery and examination of Tina Sharp's remains, see Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II.


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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby coffee is love » Thu Oct 21, 2010 9:31 am

how disgusitng. this also made my stomach flop. how sad to see that people put higher value on wordly possessions over a life.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby dmac » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:32 am

coffee is love wrote:how disgusitng. this also made my stomach flop. how sad to see that people put higher value on wordly possessions over a life.


I, personally, don't believe these reports hold water. I trust the C/I's in both instances as I would trust POI, Bo, or Marilyn to be truthful. These reports date at least from 1984 and after, at the height of the California McMartin trial and general BS reports of rampant preschool sex rings, satanic killings, etc. And if you believe McMartins were guilty (or the West Memphis Three, which was just as assenine a claim and prosecution), you are truly psycho.

That these people were railroaded- and some even convicted- in an atmosphere of such unprecedented widespread panic and misinformation speaks more to the ills of society and piss-poor "Law Enforcement" (American Justice? That's a joke) than it does to the outright stupidity of the accusations themselves.

LE (in general) were- and are- clearly chasing tails and tales instead of protecting the public. Add this to the pile of absurd and stupid side trails PCSO, DOJ, and others took to ensure the murders themselves were not solved.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby not sure » Thu Oct 21, 2010 11:58 am

Based on my belief that LE's interview with Tina a few weeks prior to the murders was about molestation, I think checking into any and all leads concerning child sexual abuse was a good idea. I'm pleased PCSO wasn't just blowing people off just because their story may have seemed far-fetched.
Yes, there were some false reports but there were a LOT of viable ones. Judging by how rampant child porn is nowadays and looking at the current Registered Sex Offenders for California, I find this report not so far-fetched.
People do ugly things and will go to great lengths to keep other people from finding out just how ugly they are.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby dmac » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:53 pm

Show me one single proven example of a sex ring responsible for a dumping ground of underage kids. Show me one example of a discovered snuff film distributed in a sex ring. Compare that to the thousands of times you've heard these BS theories, unsubstantiated claims, and insane rumors.

These asshole C/Is are blowing smoke up LE sphincters, and it's probably exactly what LE wanted.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby Eastern » Thu Oct 21, 2010 12:56 pm

Don't confuse satanic rumors with the overall child porn industry. The child porn business was alive and well in 1981 and '84, and is going even stronger now with the internet. It got very little of LE's attention back then, but it was happening. Give the number of pedophiles surrounding Tina and the area, it's relevant and worth checking imo.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby meankitty » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:01 pm

There is no real proof outside of anything LE is investigating, but it can't hurt to look into the possibility.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby dmac » Thu Oct 21, 2010 1:30 pm

I'm not confusing satanic groups with kiddie porn at all- although it certainly went hand in hand with the laughably stupid rumors rampant at the time. I'm pointing out highly unlikely (yet just-as-highly touted) rumors vs. the lack of actual existence. And that goes for "dumping grounds" for children victims, too.

Last time I looked where I used to live, there were literally hundreds of RSOs, dozens in my neighborhood. An incredible minority of convictions concerned kiddie porn (less than 5), which has become far more rampant due to accessibility via the net. Back in 81, you had to go looking to buy a FILM of porn, and the Beta-VHS war hadn't really come close to being resolved yet because the players were out of Joe Public's price range. Print was still the king of porn distribution, and kiddie porn was around- but very difficult to find. Not that it didn't exist, but it was much more difficult to find than today. Now, a couple of accidental keystrokes on the web and you've found it.

Show me a ring of pervs involved together in the actual sexual abuse of minors that's not cult-based (every religion is, by definition, a cult, so YES I include Catholicism). To my knowledge, Plumas was drug-based, not religion-based.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby meankitty » Thu Oct 21, 2010 2:16 pm

I'm not so sure about a ring, but a single pedophile could have took pictures. There are some sick slimeballs in the world. It was possible to get kiddie porn then, and there was home movie cameras then, and projectors. I can remember seeing a reel of adult porn somewhere.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby Ausgirl » Fri Oct 22, 2010 9:41 pm

dmac wrote:Show me one single proven example of a sex ring responsible for a dumping ground of underage kids.


Marc Detroux.
http://news.branyvnimani.cz/?article_id=9895
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby dmac » Mon Oct 25, 2010 2:44 am

Czechoslovakia? OK, thank you for making my point. And Dutroux was a serial killer with perhaps one accomplice- not a network, so the point it moot: it does not involve a network of perps using a communal burial ground.

The point is ridiculous: to claim zombies did it or perhaps aliens did it are far more likely than the typical BS surrounding this case.

there is enough ugly conspiracy in this case, so why attach more crap? Look at fact, and then find conspiracy through fact. NOT the other way round. It doesn't work that way.

One of the dumbest things VF ever said was " well, people throw out wild speculation- that's how any real investigation begins". It's paraphrasing a very stupid idea from a person I once respected, but the reality is the opposite. You search for facts and continue to build on what you find. You don't throw it on the wall to see what sticks. That may be VF's MO, but it is not logical, worthwhile, nor productive.

Use fact as the basis. :yarr: Anything else is witchcraft, and your weight better be lighter than a duck.

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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby templeofamon » Tue Oct 26, 2010 5:06 am

Sorry, I have to agree with Dmac. The C/Is statements reek of bull shit. While I do beleive that the molestation of Tina and POIs liking of young girls is key to the case, you have to remember the 80's were full of the "molestor around the corner" scare tactic.
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Re: Possible relevance of Feather Falls

Postby not sure » Mon Jul 23, 2012 8:35 am

Bumping this up...not because of the Pamela Mulaskey information (although that is quite intriguing when you consider the Butte County connections to this case) but, rather, I have a question...

Josh, you said
jhancock wrote:One lengthy scene from Cabin 28: The Keddie Murders Part II that did not make the final cut included information about the relevance of Father Falls as the site for Tina's abduction and eventual discovery. During the investigation, a small handful of confidential informants provided the sheriff's office with bits and pieces of information about the Feather Falls area. Here's a redacted excerpt from one of those reports:


A few posts down the page, you posted another, similar report from DOJ. Are there any more of these? or continuations of the ones posted? (the second posting looks like it's missing pages). Are the names on the reports that have been blanked out people we are familiar with on this site? I'm very curious to hear more about these reports.


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