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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby Bozdog » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:27 pm

Just throwing this out there- no disrespect intended but Lyn remembers what type of cigarettes he smoked in 1981. I also remember my mom smoking Benson and Hedges up until her death coincidentally in 1981. It's something we all kinda remember and usually a smoker smokes the same brand.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby Marilyn Musgrove » Tue Apr 12, 2016 6:53 pm

The reason why I don't remember the brand I smoked in 1981 is, I was very poor and smoked whatever was the cheapest.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby lynabus » Tue Apr 12, 2016 8:09 pm

Cigarettes were .46 cents in 1981 and by 1985 they were 1.25 that was the standard price for all cigarette brands here in Wisconsin. I would think the prices were the same in California. I could be wrong about the standard prices in California in 1981, but by the 90's the cigarette companies started competing with each other and that is why you see different prices on a pack or carton.

All cigs in California in 1981 would have been the same price.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby dmac » Tue Apr 12, 2016 9:48 pm

wrong. Much of the price is adjusted for profit AFTER federal, state, county taxes and other levied fees. The price of tobacco is deadly greed, no matter how you cut (or smoke) it.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby justice17 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 1:02 pm

dmac wrote:Lyn, I'll ban youo for smoking if you don't stop on your own IMMEDIATELY.

Dmac...seriously? You're brilliant but also mean at times :-?
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby lynabus » Wed Apr 13, 2016 2:07 pm

It's ok justice17. Thanks for the concern. I think of dmac as my personal surgeon general and besides, I got thick skin, but seriously I think it was just dmac's humor coming out.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby justice17 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 3:01 pm

Oh I know it's his humor & his personality. I generally enjoy his abruptness, but since I am also a smoker, I guess it hit a nerve for me. (If the shoe fits...ha ha).


I know he's right. Nobody should waste their life smoking. Not even Loon. :-P
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby dmac » Wed Apr 13, 2016 4:29 pm

Yeah, I was just kidding.

UPDATE on the Pontiac portion of this thread: READ HERE.

Those who missed chat last night missed a doozy. Marilyn showed up midway through and said a lot, most of the while shoving her foot further down her throat. Despite the fact we were very kind to her and not confrontational, she didn't like the fast pace of telling one thing, being corrected, and then telling another untruth. I think it's safe to say she regrets joining this forum and won't be back. I even emailed her concerning how she stormed out last night, and gave her a few pointers on how to better interact on here, but I doubt it will be effective. I know others warned her that we know alot about the case and will call out any incorrect detail we know, but she jumped in anyway. We've treated her w/ kindness, fairness, and restraint, but it wasn't enough. She wants us to believe her nonsense, unquestioned, as 'reality'.

Here's the highlights, found in the chat archive:

"I have tried from day one to be honest with everyone, but get messed up"

"what's cannabis?"

On Marty supposedly trying to blow up the family home: "Marde got mad at his dad for some reason. it was xmas and I had to return all of Casey's gifts and he threatened to blow his dads house up. That was Marde"

Why is Justin still afraid to come forward with both Marty and Bo deceased? "I think it's out of fear of remembering that night. I can't really answer that question for him. He still has no memories"

As for the murders: "I was not there...I swear on the bible and the good Lord knows this to be true"

Had Justin ever spent the night with the Sharps before that night? "I don't think that was his first time. Remember he didn't get to Keddie until xmas of 80"

About your trysts with Wade prior to the murders, and your ensuing involvement, and how Marty expressed his rage directly to Wade and to you. "There was no tryst with Wade before the murders. I met him at Dee Lakes house with Marde. In Indianfalls Marde and I just happened to be visiting Dee. I got involved with Wade that summer after the murders. I lived with the Meeks after..Got my own apartment that summer. Wade and I got involved for just a short time I for the life of me don't know why! The Meeks were nice to me. Now I wonder why. I was not really friends with them. Same with Sue just acquaintances"

Do you know why Marty told Wade that stuff in lock up a week or so after the murders? "no i don't"

You knew the Meeks when they lived next to the post office. How did you meet them? "met them when they lived in the big white house on 1st street not before" That can't be true because they moved there AFTER you met them!

you knew the Meeks before they moved to EQ. That's not fiction. That's not memory lapse "no I don't know where they lived before 1st street sorry someone has lied to you and it isn't me!!"

What were all the the syringes in your basement about? "I don't know Wade saw them"

Was Marde ever a loving Husband Marilyn? "if things went his way he was a smoothe talker"

Where was Casey while you were at the bar? "at home asleep"

"We left the lounge because Marde got into an argument with Jan I don't know what it was really about" Jan wasn't there at the time. Marty was talking to her husband. And you said it was Bo that blew his top, not Marde.

Why did Marde blow his top, when you told LE in April 81 it was Bo that went apeshit? "It had to have been Marde . Who else would he have called and yelled at over the phone when we got home that night. I heard him yelling on the phone. I was standing at the bedroom door when he hung up the phone and said she can't talk to me like that. He called her a bitch and slammed the phone down" "I have not a clue"

You said Marty was on the couch and he went to the phone and Bo took the phone out of his hand. This report also indicates you slept in the bedroom with Marde and the boys were stuffed in that f-ing closet. "I need to calm down and take a breath. Bo was on the couch the phone was opposite my bedroom door on the kitchen wall going into the living room. I saw Marde yelling on the phone to Jan I assumed. He called her a bitch hung up and said she can't talk to me like that. He then told Bo lets go I assumed back down to the bar (is that better?) calling it a bar."

OK, you mentioned the location of the phone on that other wall twice, which is why I believe you. What happened when you left the bar the first time? This is critical."thank you dmac so much. We came up the road and it so quiet I don't remember talking about anything in particular. It was so quiet, the dog didn't even bark."

ok then you walked past 28, then what? I mean 27 and 25 and home. "I kept to myself most of the time I didn't visit with to[o] many people unless Marde was with me he didn't allow it. I think I turned the tv or it was already on. I got ready for bed that's when Marde got on the phone and was yelling at Jan. I think it was the news."

nope it was 1:15 am and too late for news. What did you watch? "That can't be right I wouldn't have left Casey that long. I really didn't watch it I got ready for bed and the tv in the living room was on I wasn't really paying that close attention"

you went to bed in the closet and watched a non-existent newscast from the living room? Good grief. "what closet?"

your bedroom. You also said you watched a war movie. Remember it? "no"

when was the last time you saw a photo of your bedroom at 26? "it was small but not a closet, the dresser was in the closet the bed took up most of the room"

Remember talking to Doug Thomas? This is funny and far more important, you know what a loser Doug is. "I do now"

where and when did it occur? "Justin came and got me that morning after the murders, I sat out in front of 28 in his car parked on the road"

what happened in the car, Marilyn? "Doug was behind the wheel and Justin was sitting between us. Doug asked me if I thought Sue could have gone off the deep end and killed her kids. I said no why? He said one of the bodies is a very small female they haven't identified yet. He thinks it might be Tina. All the while Justin is trying to inter[r]upt us. Something Justin said got my attention and I told DT to listen to Justin."

and Justin said? "we stopped talking and Justin said that's not Tina it's Sue in there Tina is missing,look down by the river. I don't know why he said that Doug let us go back to our cabin but we had to stay around in case they needed to talk to us some more"

you were in the squad car parked out front? Who else was there? "Just DT, Justin and myself"

you're on O 24/7, still smoke like a broken truck axle, and consume caffeine as if it were green veg? your death wish is pretty intense, Loon. "I don't have any say in it the good Lord does"

you also don't have say in what you've already done. "I had to stick around Keddie in case they needed to talk to me again that's how I know it was late in the day when the boy's and I left"

when and how did you bail from Keddie that day? It's becoming more important, because we now know stuff nobody put together on April 12. "I thought it was later that's what Nina Meeks said She said she came and got us. I personally don't recall"

keep in mind, you've only told us Justin knocked on the front door, you got dressed and walked several steps outside to confirm Justin had a bad joke. "Like around 3:00 or there abouts . That is correct and it was after talking to DT that Justin were playing on the living room floor and Justin was on top of Casey pretending to stab Casey. Marde got mad at him"

so you mean three PM? "Just before I went out to talk to DT. yes 3:00 PM"

so Justin knocked on the front door at three pm? "no around 8:30 am. Justin came and got me that morning at around 8:30 am WE left Keddie at around 3:00 PM same day."

you're making a lot of sense, but it takes repeated questions to get you to answer. No biggie. so WHO picked you up and WHEN? "Nina Meeks said she picked us up around 3:00 PM. I remember thinking that's a long time to leave bodies in there. I don't recall if it was Nina or not. meaning Justin, Casey and me. That can't be right though because Marde came to her house heading to Reno around 4:00 Pm. I think"

When you and Wade hooked up, where did you move and rent an apt together? "The apartments next to the Meeks house on hwy 70 and 1st street"

ok what about the kids. Who went with you to Nina's. We already know Justin was in custody. "no they came later to Nina's to take Justin into custody I don't know now. you know a lot about me, more about me than I do, and I don't know anything about you"

I'm a renowned asshole and your history is sadly splayed out before us. Only you can connect the dots to clear your own name from involvement. that's why you're here, and we both know that. "I want this case solved!!!!!!!!!!!!!!"
You want to be cleared but never ignored.

"You all have made up your own minds and nothing I say matters, I'M DONE"

back to Doug's car. Was it a sedan or a coupe? "A Sheriffs car. I don't know the difference" sedan has four doors

where was it parked? "in front of cabin 28 on the road"

which side? "pointed toward cabin 26"

so the car came up and drove across the mid-line and parked against traffic? That's illegal. Are you certain that happened, because you are accusing the sheriff of gross neglect and corruption. 'Citizen's ARREST! Citizen's ARREST!' what other vehicles and LE cars were around 28 at the time? I figure the road must have been blocked by cop cars. "I don't know Have you ever had anything like this happen to you. You don't remember a whole lot of detail. It's horrible and a lot of confusion"

People obliterate memories or remember them crystalline. You're not showing any traits of PTSD so Dee better come up with better advice. Lets go back to the cop car. Who else was around? Why did Doug put you in a flipping squad car?! "Sorry folks but you have already convicted me and thrown away the key. I'm truly sorry I have been no help on this chat, so I'm logging out... Have a blessed evening ) : I don't have PTSD and don't even know where Dee is"

With that, she was gone.

We've not convicted you. YOU convicted you, and can't answer the easiest of questions about your alibi.
You have nowhere to go, Marilyn. We're listening and you're not happy with your own answers.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby joe_mcplumber » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:07 pm

FWIW i do not recall any sort of Smartts around prior to the move to EQ. Marilyn and Nina met at school, and if they met in a 9-week class that could've been as late as March.

EDIT: If we're not being polite anymore, can i ask Marilyn to please stop blessing my evening?
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby JEP » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:09 pm

I have been reading a lot of information on this site. There's so much information that it can be overwhelming. I still can't figure out what the motive was? Even after all the info I've read, I just don't see it. What am I missing? I'm wondering if it was intended to be a warning visit of some kind that got out of hand quickly. It seems to me if there is a defined motive, the case would be solved. From the note that Marty wrote to Marilyn, it seems like the murders for the benefit of Marilyn, that's what I got out of the note.
I wish I could have stayed longer in the chat. Marilyn had just gotten there and was answering questions, but I could tell she was getting flustered. I cannot figure out why she keeps coming back for more. It seems to me if she were innocent she'd be more helpful instead of so vague or ambiguous. I'm sorry if this is the wrong area for this.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby joe_mcplumber » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:18 pm

JEP wrote:...instead of so vague or ambiguous.

I can provide a crispy clear snapshot of precisely where i was standing and details of the scenery, for the moment immediately after i was informed of these murders. Apart from that, this forum has more to say about my activities on that day than i have stored in my own memory. Heck i can only protest things that i'm pretty damned certain i *didn't* do.

I don't think Marilyn is lying. I think she has a few crystalline pictures mixed in with a whole lot of muck. I can relate to that.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby dmac » Wed Apr 13, 2016 7:32 pm

Thanks for your lucid addition and added perspective, particularly regarding her truthiness. Knowing what we now do about FALSIFIED documents, and misquotes or misinterpretations conveyed in documents, it would be interesting to hear your opinion of the truthiness of documents mentioning your actions, whereabouts, etc.

I am trying to keep this thread gloves-on, in the hopes the thread remains about what she said, and in hopes she returns. I'll continue working on it. But I agree about the bible study sign-off to each of her posts- it's reminiscent of Dee and DeCrona, hiding behind bibles to make others believe they're moral people.

JEP- wb, haven't seen you in ages. The motive is one of many things we'll likely never know. See this thread.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby joe_mcplumber » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:11 pm

Nope, nothing remotely interesting about me.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby justice17 » Wed Apr 13, 2016 9:40 pm

Wow! That Chat was intense last night----She has major issues.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby dmac » Wed Apr 13, 2016 11:34 pm

Don't we all? Let's keep this place open for concentrating on Marilyn's statements, and perhaps her return. No point in being mean or even pointing out the obvious things we see and she doesn't.

Just open the window and wag your tongue out the side of the car and enjoy the ride.

Please be quiet, simple, and respectful, and leave this spot for Marilyn to speak, to perhaps return.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby lynabus » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:10 am

Just had to let Marilyn know that James and Zonita Seabolt are still married. I just located this information on Facebook. She had stated that they were divorced.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby dmac » Thu Apr 14, 2016 11:12 am

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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby lynabus » Thu Apr 14, 2016 12:10 pm

Thanks dmac! I knew her health was bad in 2013, wasn't aware of the later.
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby canada » Fri Apr 15, 2016 2:07 pm

dmac wrote:Here's the highlights, found in the chat archive


Maybe she was only talking because she heard about the new evidence coming to light and was trying to convince people she was not involved in case any more evidence showed other wise... if that makes sense?
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Re: NEW RULE Marilyn Smartt Musgrove is in the House

Postby Chichibcc » Sat Apr 16, 2016 1:35 pm

canada wrote:Maybe she was only talking because she heard about the new evidence coming to light and was trying to convince people she was not involved in case any more evidence showed other wise... if that makes sense?


In other words...covering herself once again?
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