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Real #1

Postby dmac » Fri Apr 22, 2016 3:10 am

I cannot begin to explain how old elephants in the room are coming to life. So much info coming in, much of it leading to Mr X and the real #1. You'd better read up on six years of posts before thinking you know what that means!

I want to hear from old-timers who kinda gave up, c. 2009-2012.

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Ausgirl and I did FANTASTIC work together, and I thank her PROFUSELY for what we achieved together. We had no clue NightRider was so close, and we found Bo completely without knowing others had looked. AMAZING.

Ache gets super-extra credit for, well, being right 99.9% of the time. Her temperament and humor, her knowledge and understanding, her directness. Sorely missed. She only posted when she was furious!

just a few posters who made a huge difference when it counted most. That was the core of this case and how it went beyond Josh's crockumentaries into disciplined research and logic.
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Re: Real #1

Postby justice17 » Wed Apr 27, 2016 9:16 pm

Okay, Patiently Waiting for a reply from one of the old-time members listed.


Old elephants?

Real :-??| #1?

Mr X ?
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Thu Apr 28, 2016 3:05 am

"old elephants in the room" is about the same huge elephants that have been ignored. We are missing some huge truths that have ALWAYS been here, within smelling distance. And suspects and motives.

I mentioned many "old time members" for their merit and involvement, and I know them from when I was a whelp. I'm openly asking them to become involved again, now that the tree is bearing fruit. They and many more deserve our kudos for nurturing the garden. This case demands their renewed interest and input, whether or not they like the demands. Their initial involvement was selfless, and their return will be from that same heart.

The huge "real #1" is my own lingo for why and who. #1 killer and #1 motive. I do believe there was a real reason for this planned attack. The "Real #1" is the #1 killer and the #1 motive for all of this shit. I do believe the real #1 is right under our noses.

Years ago, when talking about other suspects, I said there is "a real #1 we're missing". It was in some answer to who the "third suspect" was, because PCSO had this bullshit list of "thirds": Marty, Bo AND #3.

Marilyn was there, so the real #3 (my lingo for #4) could be the number one reason for all this shit.

I've been trying for years to yell, "there could be a real #3", and THAT #3 could be the real #1.

MMB is two people: Marilyn & Marde are one person, Bo is the second. Most look at Loon as an unwilling third. Not remotely true.

Number three?
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Re: Real #1

Postby sparkplug » Thu Jun 23, 2016 3:52 pm

Mr. Souvlaki Gyro?
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Re: Real #1

Postby bbragg » Thu Jun 23, 2016 5:32 pm

that's three
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:19 pm

To ALL ABLE TO READ:

I dumped 10% of ALL MEMBERS yesterday and nobody noticed. Who are you?
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Re: Real #1

Postby sparkplug » Thu Jun 23, 2016 6:55 pm

dmac wrote:To ALL ABLE TO READ:

I dumped 10% of ALL MEMBERS yesterday and nobody noticed. Who are you?


I'm your huckleberry. Joking, but always here, waiting...hopefully not much longer, thanks to you and others.
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Sun Jul 17, 2016 2:41 pm

You're okay, Sparky.

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Re: Real #1

Postby JEP » Mon Jul 18, 2016 8:44 pm

I have a question related to Marilyn. I know in the above post you said she was a willing participant. Do you think she may have been the instigator, egging Marty and Bo on? I've only seen Marilyn once in action, in the chat, and she seemed highly manipulative and...I don't know, all the bless yous and seemingly self deprecating remarks. Like she was working the audience, you know? When she saw that her act wasn't working and no one was buying her BS, she got pissed and left. She thinks she's so slick. It seems odd that after all these years, Marty and Bo are dead, she still continues to lie.

I was talking about the forum at work and one of my co-workers did some reading about the case here and she came to work saying "That is the most open and shut case I've ever seen" Marilyn and Dee need to pay for their involvement in this crime. Hopefully there will be some arrests soon.
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Mon Jul 18, 2016 10:09 pm

Yes, Loon was absolutely an instigator. Marty was threatening that people would die "if shit didn't get straightened out", and told his therapist that Sue was an extreme bitch who was meddling with his marriage. How would Marty know that Sue was advising Loon to leave Marty, unless Loon informed him?

She's very proud of her work inside 28. She's also a manipulative, lying sack of shit whose main concern now is not to be in jail when he dies.
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Re: Real #1

Postby JEP » Tue Jul 19, 2016 7:51 pm

She is a textbook narcissist/sociopath/hell, she may even be a sadist too. Getting her son involved. Leaving the other son, alone, at home while she went and partied and murdered. Then left her son in the murder house of horrors. I used to think she was an unwilling participant, mainly because I just couldn't conceive of a mother leaving her child at a murder scene. But then it came to me. There were people who knew Justin was there that night, she had to leave him. I can almost see her explaining it to him.

Reading Marilyn's old posts in the Old Forum section... I didn't see any compassion for the Sharp kids or her kids, or anyone really. If you really read those old posts, she shows herself, over and over again, what she really is. I think her pathology is much worse than the other two. Just an opinion. You are right about her, she is up to her eyeballs in the shit.
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Re: Real #1

Postby justice17 » Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:27 pm

Dee Lake said "Both" of Mardes kids were staying there the night of the homicides.
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Re: Real #1

Postby Billyalshef » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:59 am

I'm in total agreement with dmac on the real #1! After hours of reading til my eyes have bled, there is no way to digest the loonybi, the changing of statements and time frames are a testament to the underlying involvement and/or instigation of the situation. I mean wtf one statement the main poi's change clothes then later statements are no they didn't, there is no way you wouldn't remember these significant details of such a horrific event, unless of course it serves your purpose and helps your alibi, hmmmm......
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Sun Oct 16, 2016 8:04 am

I don't recall Marty or Bo later denying they changed clothes, nor when they'd have the opportunity to change their stories on clothes. Bo left town within hours of Crimely giving him a pass, and Marty didn't mention clothes to his therapist. On the other hand, Marilyn's lies include Marty burning 'something' in the wood stove at 2 am- when they were all still in cabin 28. And she remembers Marty burning shoes... no, clothes... no, shoes... no, something she never saw... no, shoes in a fire outside the cabin on Sunday morning. Mama Meeks has variously supported this and denied it- never directly, but saying she knows someone else (usually her ex) who reported seeing / not seeing it. All the stuff Loon adds to the Loonibi after the initial interviews turns out to be just as lame, impossible, and stupid as the Loonibi itself, with one twist: it's uniformly meant to incriminate Marty and Bo while further distancing Marilyn from Bo and Marty. Even a decade ago, when Marilyn seemed to have a revelation that Marty and Bo didn't... no, COULDN'T have done it, it doesn't negate Marilyn's distancing herself from the murders, or from her co-killers: Bo Boubede, Marty Smartt, Dee Lake, and POIs we are going to fuck.

Look at how many times they shifted the time they initially went to the bar, how many times they left, and Loon being wide awake/ sound asleep when they got home at 2 am. How many times Loon was DEAD CERTAIN when she got home because of what she fell asleep watching on TV (Marilyn said it as the 11 pm news, then said it was a John Wayne war movie- none of which were on at 1:30 am). Nope, all three were mere yards away at Cabin 28, committing murder. Look at Bo's love of sex, but his wrongly implying someone with no dick can't commit sexually-driven assault/murder. Bo claims he couldn't have gone after Sue since his dick was shot off in '58, capping his 18-year career with the Chicago SO, which he'd joined when he was nine. Look closely at how many times, and how quickly, Bo states he knows exactly where Sue lived, yet wouldn't know it if you slammed his face into the front door. Then read how I decapitated Loon and her lies, live in chat, this last Spring. She was stupid enough to participate and try to go head-to-head with me, and all I could do was run laps around her nonstop lies.

The most telling things in the Loonibi are factors they all agree on at the core, but independently offer up details they weren't asked about. These details, of course, conflict. They all went to the bar, and they changed the time often to suit the abundant lack of supporting facts/logic. Loon, over the years, has changed this around to suit her needs more than anyone, which is why concentrating on contemporary accounts is crucial. Even in April of '81, they couldn't agree on when they went to the bar, how many times and when they left, whether Loon was awake when they got home. According to statement analysis specialist McClish, Marty and Bo are lying. Their words indicate they left the bar to go to 26, but took a major detour.

Marty not only knew details about the crime scene, but indicated he shut Justin down at every attempt to discuss what he saw... so much so that he could only GUESS whether that sneaky little shit, Justin, "could've seen me" committing murder in 28. That means Justin couldn't possibly be the source of the details Marty knew during the Crimely interview- that tape was used, hammers and knives used, that the victims were systematically abused and over-killed, and wire and a gun was used on them. That means he had to know or be a killer, because he was offering up details which only a killer would know and, by his own account, this info he'd not learned from Justin- a witness.

Marty not only knew too much about the hammers, but that TWO HAMMERS were used, indicating his own hammer had gone missing. Not 'stolen' but 'missing'?

A major part of the Loonibi is so oddball that it not only indicates their guilt, but ties Dee Jay Lake directly into the murders: The rifle. Every portion of their story about Dee's rifle conflicts with other accounts and physics. First, look at the car: They say they had Dee's car because Loon's red Pinto wagon needed fixing. Dee even said they used the battery from his car to drive Loon's car... but her car was literally up on blocks, so how far does Dee think a car on blocks will go? One major red flag is the blocks. PCSO, at some point, reported the red Pinto wagon was on blocks. In CS aerial photos, the hood is clearly up, indicating repair work, but it's impossible to see if it was on blocks. But, in the Crimely interview with Bo, they discussing visiting with Bo at 26 prior to walking down to the lodge to do the interview. When discussing Bo's job in sales, how he travels, they ask if the car at 26 is his. Are they talking about Dee's car, or did Dee already have it back by that Tuesday morning? My guess is, after dumping Tina's body, Dee would have dropped Marty off at the Meeks, dropped Bo off in Keddie, and hauled ass home to Indian Falls. Either way, if Loon's Pinto were up on blocks why would Crimely even consider it to be Bo's mode of transportation?

Dee said Marty had the car for over a week, which lines up neatly with when Bo showed up: Bo said he'd been in Keddie for a month, but it was only ten days. Marty also told Crimely they never would have been in the Back Door Saturday because, had they access to a car, they would have driven to a better bar. Also, Dee's own accounts put him hitching into Keddie on Saturday night and Sunday the 12th.

They couldn't get the story about the rifle anywhere near correct. First, nobody knew the rifle was there, nobody can agree on when Dee made attempts to call about it or come get it. Accounts even vary on whether it was Dee or his wife trying to recover the rifle. They all agree, pretty much, that Dee recovered it on Saturday morning- a day that, on camera, Dee says he hitched with his son into Keddie at dusk to visit his pal, Mike (Davis), but never wandered the few extra feet up the hill to visit his lover, Marty. So, in varying accounts, Dee is in Keddie Sat morn, Sat night, and hitching- despite his only car being feet away, while he's traipsing all over the county with his son in tow?

They claim the rifle was not visible, as it was under or behind the front seat of Dee's car... depending on which account you hear. Fortunately, either account is also physically impossible due to the construction/dimensions of Dee's late-70s Ford Fairmont wagon, which flat-out means their addition of the rifle to the story further undermines the Loonibi and indicates anyone who participates in the rifle stories, much less any other angle of the blanket Loonibi, is a co-conspirator. And make no mistake- the rifle aspect was added to the Loonibi as soon as they realized both sights had been ripped from the barrel of the Daisy 880. They had to remember leaving a pellet behind, too, but it was too late to go back YET AGAIN to do more cleanup of crimes they committed in the dark, with only the bathroom light to illuminate the kill zone.

One of the main points of the staging was to make it appear the crime was not planned, that it was a crime of opportunity, that all the weapons (including bindings) came from inside 28. This is a lie that is abundantly obvious to the naked eye, as I've detailed many places, but it's a blatant lie that not only the killers stuck to but corrupt PCSO and DOJ maintained and supported FOR DECADES.

As soon as they realized the rifle parts were missing, they all had to agree on the new wing of the Loonibi: Dee's Car and Gun. They needed to prove that, YES, while they had access to a rifle (how did they know a rifle was used?!), Dee had retrieved it hours before the murders, and his .22 rifle was still intact. Which it was weeks later, when PCSO finally decided to send a couple boys out to ask him and have a look for themselves.

The Loonibi is very real and very damning. It proves Bo, Marty, and Loon... and, via the car and rifle, DEE JAY LAKE... were directly involved in weaving a batch of terrible lies together to protect each of them as a united whole. This umbrella alibi not only leaks like a sieve, but exposes it's participants as key players in the Keddie Murders.
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Re: Real #1

Postby Billyalshef » Sun Oct 16, 2016 12:21 pm

Dmac your devotion and knowledge along with other contributing members is commendable, you guys have helped this case tremendously ! This case has grabbed my inner soul and breaks my heart every time I read about the case, I check 4-5 times a week just for a chance there will be a indictment. I grew up in the 70-80's with a single mom and a little sister , we were very poor, so my heart aches for the struggles the family had day to day. The complete and udder bumble f##k job the le and doj did to give justice to the family makes me sick to my inner soul. My bad if post had wrong info , I had another late night read session and thought loon had changed timelines and statements after her late life revisit to keddie, I will double check all my facts b4 posting in future, the last thing this case needs is misinformed info from peeps like me posting out of emotions and fatigue. Keep up the good fight!
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Mon Oct 17, 2016 6:03 am

Look, you're okay. I don't mind people who read and misremember- I get that. I'm disgusted by those that opine without reading and, particularly, by those who read a ton yet still cannot sift shit from Shinola. It's those that make wrong deductions and conclusions, after being spoon-fed the facts, that bury burrs deep down my diaper.
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Mon Oct 17, 2016 9:15 pm

Besides, all I mentioned was the bit about clothing as part of the Loonibi. Your belief is the killers conspired to create a 'blanket alibi', which gave me the opportunity to talk about the Loonibi, which I haven't in yonks.

Years ago, I complained about what I felt was a clear campaign by the killers to devise a mass, connected alibi. It was meant to tie each of the key conspirators of the murders to a bed of lies they built, where each was protected and supported by the same alibi coming from the others. Being seen at the bar would be a major support, but making a scene at the bar over a change in music, if it happened, would seem to be a home run.

But, when I first proposed the Loonibi in 2011, I was scoffed and laughed at. Unfortunately, few saw or heard the truth in my massive conclusion, as most felt the case couldn't involve any conspiracy. As if murderers don't conspire (which happens all the damned time), much less the cops covering it up- which, I hope, is far less frequent!

Thanks for giving me the reason to drag out that tired Huge Red Flag, "the Loonibi", in order to update and solidify my belief in it, as well as acquaint newbies to the core depth of lies that came directly from the murderers.

Your post led directly to me finally doing a true transcript of Bo's interview with crooked Crimely. I literally hear them openly laughing at Bo's bullshit and asking him to continue! Stab, kill, guffaw! Out of the fucking BLUE, for NO REASON, Bo brings up "Martin... uh... Actually, it as his wife" <NOT HIS NIECE!> who Bo approached to get hooked up with Sue. He had NO LOGICAL REASON to bring that up, and when he did it was as big a red flag as has ever been seen in this case. Despite being a completely moronic admission by a killer, it also further dissuades ANYBODY with a brain from believing Loon's later statements about knocking on Sue's door. Bo says, quite distinctly, that Loon chopped his hard-on off long before they passed cabin 28 on the first run to the bar Saturday, April 11. Bo has all the passion and none of the stiff dick, as he'd already said- FOR NO REASON- so why bring up an impossible rod for Sue? Un-fucking-believable!

Wait for my complete transcription of the Bo interview to debut, as it's far more damaging than I ever thought when I first listened to it. And thanks for pushing me to do it, although you had no clue. Your error about clothing was a godsend. Yes, to an atheist.

Check the date, and see one believed in Loonibi.
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Re: Real #1

Postby Billyalshef » Tue Oct 18, 2016 7:29 pm

Looking forward to reading the transcript, just from the bits you have described in your post ,the scenario is very telling of guilt and accompanied by the sneer of dirty le/doj attitudes!
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Re: Real #1

Postby Billyalshef » Tue Oct 18, 2016 8:37 pm

Bradley: That's understandable.

Smartt: And likewise, when we came back it was oh, ten minutes later, we had enough time to take off our, we were wearing three pieces, so we had enough time to take off our jacket and vest and then put our jackets back on, came back down and ah, once again, we were in conversation, I can't think of anything at all during that period, we came back down, that was out of place.

Bradley: How long do you think you were home?

Smartt: Maximum of 10 minutes.

Bradley: Did you do anything at home during that time?

Smartt: Well, I changed and I called the guy at the bar and told him, I said you just lost several customers over lettin somebody switch the music and he says, well he, you know,
he, the bartender was concerned, don't be mad at me, come on back down, ya know, so we went back down and show good faith that we weren't mad at him. But, we must have got back down there oh, 1:15. We had about enough time to get one drink, before the bar closed.
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I think this is what confused me on the clothes change , his statements are clearly damming and he keeps incriminating himself through the entire interview, many people have faced indictments for far less incriminating remarks.Notice the overkill on statements it was a man he called, and the over use of he in the statements. Completely contradicts the "she can't talk to me like that " statements from msm and a sad attempt to distance himself from his anger/hatred involving any females that night!
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Re: Real #1

Postby dmac » Wed Oct 19, 2016 1:11 am

I'm only two thirds of the way through the tape, and it's killing me.

I no longer believe Crimely knew Bo, much less initially offered him protection. He's a rat on a rope, halfway from ship to shore, and Crimely openly mock some of his answers. They openly laugh at this jackass murdering fuckup. They were probably surprised Bo was there, but they still knew Marty was the killer and Bo is backlash byrproduct.

Crimely fucked this case. Bo was a washout bystander, not at all the reason crooked DOJ cunts were choppered in.

I'm looking more at DOJ.

Let me get through this recording, finish cleaning it up for release. Right now, I fully believe DOJ were in Keddie for something other than Bo Boubede. This is about the biggest news I've had to offer since I began looking at this case, as a whole, in 2010.
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