BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby meankitty » Fri Oct 27, 2017 1:07 pm

Dmac, how accurate is the bartender's statement? Did she ID the right woman?

I do know there is a rumor mill here that sure messed up the facts of the case and buried it in rumors.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Fri Oct 27, 2017 2:23 pm

how the FUCK ACCURATE do u see a bartender who went to FRC with Sue? Are you out of your fucking mind?

When did Loon come into her memory or remarks?

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby budrfligh » Fri Oct 27, 2017 5:24 pm

Ok I trust your Intel I think it would be understandable to ask for facts. Was this witness vetted through Gam as I understand? The other instances of people relating Marty's obsession with Sue are there. This new barkeep I've just learned of. When did said individual report this? Was it buried in hodgepodge?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby Magnum PI » Fri Oct 27, 2017 9:41 pm

Well, I can see I have been away far to long Dmac! I'm going to have to spend some time catching up. Interesting development to say the least. I happened to meet one of Tinas best friends recently and had a discussion with her. I'll try my best to catch up and not ask to many questions.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby JEP » Mon Oct 30, 2017 7:44 pm

I have to say that this revelation does not surprise me, if it can be verified. I think your point about deep diving the victims can lead you to the killers is correct. I do understand why Sheila feels she needs to defend her mom. I realize they had hard times. And it doesn't help to have your family's secrets spilled out all over the place. I feel for the surviving Sharp children, adults now. If you watch interviews of victim's families, even if the victim has a rap sheet a mile long, the family says "they were good, and kind......" all nonsense, but you get the picture.

Despite all that, I believe that the Sharps know what happened to their family members. Their reluctance to be truthful is a bit disturbing and baffling. They have chosen silence, for whatever reason. What they're hiding or who they're protecting is anyone's guess.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby Myrion » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:31 am

Over the years I wondered about the relationship between Marde and Sue. I remember a couple years back when there was speculation that Marde was fucking Tina, which for some reason I thought was doubtful. Sheila maybe, but I doubted any real social interaction between Marde and Tina. Well, until the murders.

The thought that these murders were triggered by this motive, well, it kind of fits.

Not that it should have ever happened obviously, but a senseless motive like this...Marde "proving his love" for Loon by killing the woman he might have been fucking around with...while she's with yet another "player" in the area. It's tragic, but seems to happen often.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Tue Oct 31, 2017 9:32 pm

One must also reconsider Tony Garedakis. First, Mike and Martel's reverse alibi says that Garedakis' doppelganger was Sue's violent boyfriend. This, of course, was meant to steer LE away from the idea Sue was 'dating' Tony Garedakis. Then, there's Tony telling us he was with Sue and all the kids just that Saturday, April 11, collecting and delivering firewood for cabin 28, one of few cabins that had no wood stove and, therefore, no need for wood. And, of course, crime scene photos show NO WOOD anywhere in or outside of 28.

We should now consider Tony as DIRECTLY INVOLVED.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby Dogfur » Wed Nov 01, 2017 7:50 pm

Thanks-36 year old statements might have a bit of dust on them. I’m of the mind that Sue gettin’ some action is the key to solving & proving enough of this case to call it. I won’t go into Sue being pro w/you yet, there would be people who would fess up to buying her services, if only to clear themselves quickly...That doesn’t add up, but Sue getting her groove on & somebody getting agitated or jealous? Oh yeah, that shit happens!
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:35 pm

OK, I've reread all the data, and can confirm this bartender knows Sue and Marty were an item. in 11/80, Loon and Sue and Mike's wife all had the same typing class together. Sue had two typing classes, and Marty and the bartender were all in the other.

Confirmed: Marty and Sue were having an affair. And a major mindblower about to follow, on a new thread.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby budrfligh » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:32 pm

Martel?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:38 pm

No, Mike Gamberg's wife. Mike verified the info from the bartender against school records, which is how he found his wife was also in Sue's class. Sue took two typing classes, not in the same semester.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby budrfligh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 3:03 pm

OH!!!! That is credible indeed!!
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby Ausgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:26 pm

... his wife! Good grief, D.

This case has been a bit like a rotten onion, layer after layer of sloppy bullshit getting peeled away, one onion-skin thin ring at a time... this is closer to the central truth of things than it's ever come before.

Mind blowing doesn't cover it.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Mon Nov 06, 2017 11:27 pm

Gam and I spoke for over an hour.

I thanked him for putting all the dots in lines, and he said,"wow, it's not what you think!"

"Back when I found the tape, I found a folder in the same box. Filled with photocopied reports I'd never seen before."

Anyone familiar with the tiny guy pointing out blood issues to Sly in CS photos? Guess who. The same guy that did the floor layouts. The same guy whose original reports DISAPPEARED, yet Mike Gamberg finds this folder of PHOTOCOPIED reports by the same guy.

Get this, I'm trying to shut the fuck up, and failing badly. All I wanna hear is Gamman telling what happened. Oh, I failed poorly.

"You mean this limp dick?" "Yeah him"

Mike went thru those papers and found shit directly contradicted by other files.
It led to Gamberg saying, "shit, dmac said Sue was fucking Marty" and that's what these lost files repeat.

Why would anyone steal original files and leave photocopies? because they could lie about stealing them, then state the photocopies are frauds.

Mike and I agree this case is long from over, and the coverup is just too obvious not to investigate OFFICIALLY.

I'm telling you, this is TWO DISTINCT CASES.

FWIW, we talked at length about how he looked at photocopied documents, linked it with contradictory reports by known liars, and took a slice from my pie about what the lies are about. He found the Kathy Beckley shit I've been calling BULLSHIT for years. He found Kathy was fucking Dana and that FWB led to hiding who gave them a ride home AND other monster bullshit.

Can I stop now? I'm fucking tired.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby meankitty » Tue Nov 07, 2017 12:11 pm

dmac wrote:how the FUCK ACCURATE do u see a bartender who went to FRC with Sue? Are you out of your fucking mind?

When did Loon come into her memory or remarks?

zrO?

yUP.

I've seen so many lies, half-baked rumors and bullshit theories in this case over the years, as well as shifting memories, that I would like to make sure everything is as accurate as possible, and EVERY single piece of information is taken into account instead of being ignored because it didn't fit a pet theory.

Also, did Zonita tell just what time she was supposed to have hear the sex noises on the 11th and where she was standing in relation to cabin 28?
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 08, 2017 7:30 am

Yeah, you're so right. There is absolutely nothing in my description of how this went down to have one iota of respect for the accounts given and independently confirmed. And absolutely no logic whatsoever to the account. So do me a favor and consider all of this to be complete bullshit, drop it, and walk the fuck away.

As for Zonita, she said it was from 2:17 pm to exactly 2:38 PM. When she first heard it, she was standing out back, 6.78 feet SSW of the gas tank. For 7 minutes and 22 seconds, she sat on the tank and listened. Then she got the ladder from the back building and climbed up to look through the window.

Dear shit, you ask the stupidest fucking Qs. If I had any further details, why the FUCK would I omit them?

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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby bullshit-buster » Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:37 pm

so finding the murders of 4 peps in cabin 28 is directly attributed to the oldest reason in time. jealousy.
i want to know what was really going down with marty and loon in the days and weeks leading up to the murders.
were they fighting? physical verbal? to come to a decision that someone had to die stems from pretty nasty beginnings.
the night of question the alibi scenario is so peculiar.
the 3 of them are desperate to portray that it was a fun night ahead. dressed up in their finery....invited sue to come along (loon lie) being seen out at the pub. happy as larry. even causing a commotion about bullshit music dramas. just to make sure everybody there knew they were there. not somewhere else......
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby budrfligh » Thu Nov 09, 2017 6:27 pm

I agree that their behavior, movements,fights etc would be nice To review.
I think that Marty's therepist sugests fighting in the marriage. I believe personally Marty knew Bo b4 the b.s. VA story and he was his ticket to a new destination. Unfortunately he was mistaken about Loon being on board that bus. I think he intended to pull scams in Oregon b4 he planned the murders. The thing I was hit with was the Meeks/Smart friendship possibly having started long b4 Kerrie. Perhaps leading to that cook job with free rent.....
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby dmac » Thu Nov 09, 2017 9:46 pm

This was at least a love triangle, or fuck triangle. Cheating is rarely love, more temporary infatuation. "Oldest Reason in Time"? No, this is a premed by multiple perps against one target and they simply didn't give one fuck about collateral damage, other than Justin?

The perps and Vx involved prove 28 is unlike every other 'love triangle'. Multiple killers, one target yet 3 others dead? 3 more left alive, including the son of killers?! Jeez, this ain't one love triangle I've ever heard of.

Days and weeks of Marty and Loon prior to 4/11 line up with LE timelines: volatile shit, Marde's animosity towards Loon's kids and Loon. Multiple ugly events, basically kicked out of "Aunt's" house in favor of the aunt co-signing the loan for the red Pinto hatchback. Aunt wanted all of them gone. And she got fucked because they stopped making payments on the red Pinto wagon found on blocks in front of 26 on 4/12.

Marty got a job at the Keddie Hotel diner, one floor up from the Back Door Bar. #26 was partial payment for his cook duties. This was around 8/80. That's when he and Loon and her kids moved from Burney to Keddie.

Sue and kids moved to 28 3 months later, although Marty and Loon and Meeks knew Sue and family well beforehand. Via interpersonal friendships, including Richard Meeks already fucking Sheila.

Sheriff Thomas told us he was great friends with Marty, used to drive around 'on patrol' with Thomas and Shanks up front and Marty in the back.

Thomas lived in 28 just before the Sharps. Thomas was fucking Jan Albin, and anyone else with semi-vacant holes.

Marty did a voluntary-psych at the Reno VA in mid-March 81, indicating he was out of work and available to leave Keddie: Jan had already fired him. As per Dee Lake, he checked into the psyche ward for the sole reason of getting PTSD money. PTSD was brand-new at the VA, and Dee told him how to get it. He fucking failed:

"You were in one of the safest places in South VietNam, right?" "Yeah". "Did you even hear bombs drop nearby?" "No". "So how can you claim PTSD?" Marty laughed and went onto the next topic, Marilyn.

BS-BUSTER, read up because I just wasted ten minutes explaining for you the very fucking obvious. Don't waste my time again. This site is filled with info, and if a perfunctory search doesn't find your answer, you've still wasted all my time you ever shall. Resign.

Budrfligh - My dad was a lifelong philanderer, and many times he said he would leave my mom for 'her'. Far more times than I know. We'd get the hang-up calls, often leading to a showdown in the living room. The whore would knock on the door, mom would invite her in, and we'd be told to go to our rooms. Insane shit, mom using us as terrorized props in a useless marriage of psychos.

Plenty of times one woman went in and killed the estranged wife, or the hubby set it up. No, this case is exponentially more bizarre and unfamiliar.

It was a substantiated pattern I see as an adult yet never recognized as a kid. Their repetitive, drunken, moronic 3AM fights and dad's whoring just scared the fuck out of me. And my example isn't a "love triangle" by cliche or definition.

What happened in Keddie is far more complicated and intense. The Marty-Loon thing is big. The Marty-Sue thing is huge. The Loon-fucking-anything is much bigger, leading to Marty threatening Loon's lovers (including Wade while both locked up).

The LOON RECOGNIZING MARTY WAS FUCKING SUE was 98.9% of why those two cunts went into 28.

I have little doubt Sue was getting cash for a bit of ash, which complicates everything. Sue spent her nights just before the murders screwing yet another piece of shit, Dareyl. Upon her death, he was worried his gun was missing from his trailer, not that his "illfriend" was dead. I suppose he thought nothing of her, after $15 and a couple cigarettes and a pack of B&H.

It was trailer guys that set Dareyl up with Sue. LE knew disparate stories of how Dareyl was bedding Sue into the early mornings prior to 4/11, and didn't all those stories come from RR guys?

When asked "Where's Sue?" at a bar, Dareyl said, "Haven't you read the papers? She was murdered" That sounds less like a boyfriend talking of Sue than a john talking about a prostitute. It also explains why so many had so many low-key stories as to how they participated in hooking Sue up with Dareyl.

It sickens me.

My bet is Sue was fucking for cash, hence Marty being so peculiar about his obsession.

There is no logical reason for Tony Gardenias to falsely deny a relationship with Sue unless he

So much shit needs re-evaluation with new perspectives based on recent revelations.

Not only did Marty and Bo plan to pull scams, I have the info showing they "joined the circus'', as Marty said to his therapist, and used many old carny scams to skim money from fake ticket sales to actually travel with a working machine from NW US right into the Dallas area when Bo's family says Bo and Marty showed up, uninvited.

There's a shitload of layers and lies about this case. Recognizing the conceits, defeats, lies and liars? Hell, the killers tell you they did it.

Living killers who openly state they did it, due to their stupidity?

MARILYN! FULLY INVOLVES IN THE MURDERS> INSTIGATOR OF 4 MURDERS!
Justin
DEE
TONY
MIKE
MARTEL

And a couple names I'm currently hiding.

Not counting LE scum who need to be prosecuted and decapitated:

Thomas
Stoy
Shanks
Decrona
Crim
Bradley

And many others...

FUCK JUSTIN, I'll get him prosecuted.
FUCK MURDERING MARILYN, she's already dead in my sites. CUNT.

Loon would have been better off killing Justin. He talks too much, even if you don't count the other talking fucks directly involved in need of a noose. Such as Justin's mom, Loon.
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Re: BOMBSHELL: Marty's and Loon's Motives Finally Found

Postby justice17 » Thu Nov 09, 2017 10:44 pm

A Sue & Marde affair was briefly mentioned in this anonymous report:

A report to a high school counselor: Marty is the Killer
Postby jhancock » Wed Nov 24, 2010 5:25 pm

In this letter to a counselor at Quincy High School, an anonymous student identifies the confessor as the perpetrator of the Keddie Murders. The letter does not have a date on it. It is handwritten on notebook paper, and only the names have been abbreviated:

Dear Miss R.,

I was told who did it (murders in Keddie). And said he was having family problems, and the creditors where [sic] after him. They also said they hipmintized [sic] this boy and he say everything. He said it was [POI]. They said he was having affair with Mrs. Sharp. Mr. [POI] likes to see people being killed and also like to kill dogs and cats.

by Anonymity

PS. They said that he is in Oregon.
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