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Postby dmac » Thu Oct 05, 2017 6:17 am

Mike recently confirmed on this forum his account of how Justin admitted to covering Sue. His is not the sole confirmation, as others have come forward with tales of Justin admitting as much. But, as with Loon and his real DADDY, Marty Smartt, Justin is a whore and liar. His truths must line up with facts to be believed.

Mike and I go through ebb and flow, and we're recently in flow. I wanted to kinda give a better indication of the relationship.

We agree on a ton of stuff, and Mike's experience is probably not to openly state his disagreements. He's a listener when I'm on a turn, but he also can tell many things when I'm smartt enough to be listening. So, as I've indicated before and just asked Mike, I want to make sure some of the things he's verified are ok to publish. Mike's said "print it all!" but I have different ideas as to the info that might best be held. I believe in prosecution of Marilyn and Justin and Dee Lake and Tony Garedakis, and this site can fuck that by releasing too much detail.

I've sent Mike a few emails tonight, and the last one really may tie a bunch of shit together without revealing too many secrets. I'll reprint the majority of it here, but I also want to mention I've asked Mike for all info on who from the bar was interviewed, who said what, who saw the killers, and whether the music argument ever happened. Anyone that knows me knows that story is a stinking lie I smell. Let's see. Again, Mike's a busy guy, but he often looks at angles I bring up- ("Fuck! I hate it when you're right!") He sent one email confirming Phillip and also confirming other shit I brought up months back. So, like me, Mike finds one thing that triggers a rethinking of others. Open mind.

OK, here's the email I sent:

CERTAIN passages are removed due to content info, but I placed "..." when that happens. As a result, when you see "..." expect a lack of context and continuity.

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I wanted to touch base
and confirm that you're okay with the few things I've recently
released. I've basically torn Justin's face off and called him a perp.
I've also unmasked the Meeks, finally calling Mama and Wade POIs. The
lies about what went down Sat and Sunday don't add up, and that shit
stinks of blood.

Richard Meeks has gone postal on me. ... . Despite them
turning against me, they're currently far more entertaining.

Did you read my posts about Justin, where I
released the full extent of our emails? Jeez Louise, he missed his
calling as an unintentional comedian. Not malapropisms, ala Norm
Cosby, but he has his share of those. What so few realize is exactly
how stupid these people are. That's not a complaint or put-down, as
people are what they are. However, a lack of intelligence and
education permeates almost every player in this case.

... That, of course, really took purchase when you
verified not only Phillip's whereabouts, but my years-long belief he
was selling secrets 100 yards from the Meeks house just for a cheap
night's drunk.

One last meander- the lack of intelligence I've seen in players is
clear in many ways. For instance, my understanding of Marty and Bo
have been pretty dead-on. Both are dimwitted yet try to portray
themselves as amiable, forthright, intelligent. No, their lies are
obvious and lead directly to what they're trying to deny: the truth.
Bridge locked, Tina was unconscious, Loon knocked on the door to ask
Sue to be Bo's fuckbag. "Look for Tina Down By the River!"

Marilyn may be the most intelligent of that immediate batch, but not
by far. Hell, she called you, drunk, the morning after I'd completely
destroyed her lies in the chat room. As you said, you'd warned her not
to fuck with us, and she said we know more about her than she does. We
also know she's probably the main instigator of the murders. Her lies
lead directly to her as the key conspirator, and Marty and Bo hopped
on board.

They went with a kill kit. That's so odd to me, as Loon only should
have been thinking of getting Marty involved in a prosecutable felony.
They went in an unlocked house, went directly to the bathroom, turned
on the light, then entered the girls' room. May have had a flashlight,
no evidence of it. Tina and Sue screamed, surprising the killers and
waking the neighbors, and blood was shed on both beds. But all four
were taped at the same time, with no blood under. That means the
killers had control over the scene by the time J&D scrambled up the
stairs. Two guys with weapons against two girls, the boys acquiesced,
surrendered ultimately their lives.

...

My open mind says that DNA may have come from when Justin was
adjusting the scene, as when he moved Sue around and undid obviously
sexually humiliating posing. That's AFTER the killers left, which I
peg as 430 am. Before he was 'awakened' at 8. Sue clearly died last,
and was the only one who realized she had to fight back. Yet her legs
were in full rigor by the time Justin put her on her side, moving the
couch, shoving other shit around (shoes, socks, Sheila's red gym
shorts, a lock of Sue's hair probably falling from her nightgown to
the floor).

I believe the red shorts is Sue's blood, and she was in a position
that also stained the front of the couch with a blur of blood from her
hair. I believe Dana was originally positioned to be staring up her
wide-open legs, but the Weapon 4 wounds made his head bounce into a
position nearly off the cushion. The killers didn't have the balls or
the brains to reposition Dana's head sludge back into the original
pose.

When Sue was moved, she was in full rigor. It's not easy to shift dead
weight, and far harder to move a body in rigor. I believe there is a
high likelihood Rick assisted Justin. If so, it would have been his
idea, his instigation. And an answer to their shared silence.

OK, checking out at 7 am. I'll probably copy/paste much of this into a
forum post, because I've touched on a few things that really may tie
together neatly with some work.

Regards, Respect-

dmac

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Gam, if you read this, I meant to mention how Sue's rigor, her airbender right leg, leads directly to understanding her original posing, and to making sense of the other posing. This is shit LE understood and hid.

I have a vague idea the original posing involved a story of all four. Many of the chains are broken, so trying to recreate them means an interjection of bullshit.
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:03 am

Here's the text af the email I sent just before the last. Again, "..." is content,context

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Ok, lessee.

First, thanks again for posting on the forum. I think you'd mentioned
Justin's admission about covering Sue about a year back, but I'd also
figured that was the case for years before others came forward saying
Justin had told them similar stories. But, hell, he also told
co-workers ... that he put on his shoes, jumped out the window,
and ran away for a couple hours, crawling back in the window to go to
sleep. Fucking degenerate, his stories are as insane as his dad's!
Yeah, Marty and Justin may as well be genetically linked.

Have you looked for Bo's son, born 11/67? I simply don't recall a lot
of shit anymore, including whether I gave you the details on his
names and where he was born. Your LE weight could probably get
hospital records released leading to his current ID and location. I
think you got DNA from Bo's youngest daughter, but I've already
explained Bo wasn't her father.

OK pain pills are kicking in more.

I've been looking at alot of old documents, and revealed many things
you've told me- including your anger that ... That's the
second direct falsification I've identified by that turd.

Have you attempted to contact FBI profiling legend John E Douglas? One
of his earliest known profiles is on Keddie, and I've torn it apart a
couple times, just a couple days back did it again line by line. His
assessment was shit, but I tracked his faults directly to lies
Quantico HQ was being fed from Crimely. Douglas is in varying degrees
of retirement, but I think if you contacted him with an assessment of
the lies he'd been fed, he may agree to look at the case. Not that
it's needed, since we know who did it, but he DESERVES another shot
based on FACTS, and I'm certain he'd be able to lead us in certain
directions we've failed in. Hell, Douglas is a legend, a true hero of
mine.

A couple years back, a production company in the UK contacted me,
asking for photos and facts so they could make a feature film. If I
replied at all, I told them who to go fuck and when. Their track
record is all horror trash, rated under 5 stars out of ten by horror
fans- and those idiots are easy to please. The film is out, I'm
downloading it. I already believe it's worthy of a class action
lawsuit. Fucking peasants.

There are many Qs that I need to ask, but I want to ask only about one
angle right now. It's a topic I spent years tearing apart, then openly
decided how the murders went down aren't of the greatest importance.
But, in fact, it's indelible.

I need to know who was interviewed from the bar. Who said what. Who
saw the killers. Most importantly, I've long believed the fight over
music never happened. PERIOD. The way ALL of them talk about it- and
can't even agree on who was pissed off and who fought with whom- tells
me it's just another elaborate lie in the Loonibi that was immediately
found to be false. Like Crimely realizing immediately Bo was -5 years
old when he joined the Army Air Corps (not the Air Force! It didn't
exist when he joined.)

I've spoken myself with a couple people who were at the bar that
night, even the ...
Hell, the dee jay playing the disks is still around.

I want to know who saw any of these assholes, what they remembered.
Have you ever found any verification Marty talked to a longhaired
asshole in fatigues in the parking lot? In the Crimely interview,
Marty infers they came and went to the bar THREE times, not twice.

OK, I'll quit before I start rambling. 6 am and I need a nap before my
DRs appointments.

Regards & Respect-

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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:07 am

If you read these emails, the immediate takeaway is we talk about a few sensitive topics every time, but I'm the same asshole with him as I am with you. I'm 100% dmac.

Oh, holy crap! I wonder if gamman would be okay with me reprinting the first email I sent him, when we were distinctly criminally insane enemies. Well, I was.
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Thu Oct 05, 2017 7:16 am

From g...
To [email protected]
Date 2014-10-21 17:51

DMAC,
My name is Mike Gamberg I have been brought out of retirement by PCSO Sheriff Hagwood as a Special Investigator, to investigate the Keddie Homicide. As you might recall I was interviewed by Josh Hancock and Amanda Glover for the first Keddie documentary. I jumped at the chance to re-investigate this case as I still believe it can be brought to a resolution. I believe that you have important information that can assist in solving this case. I have been in contact with <PRINCESS> who related that have documents and possible evidence from this case given to you by Josh Hancock.

As you know this case and its reports are as screwed up as a soup sandwich and I am trying to put this case in some semblance of order. I started in August of 2013 and am making some headway. With your assistance we might be able to make sense of 30+ years of an unsolved and mis-handled case.

Please contact me at any of the following:
g....

Thanks
Mike Gamberg



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From gam...
To [email protected]
Date 2014-10-23 18:15

DMAC,
I hope that I have the right info, <Princess> refered me to you contact info above.
Could you please contact me re: the Keddie investigation.

Thanks
Mike Gamberg
Special Investigator PCSO



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From m....
To gam...
Date 2014-11-03 00:15

Don't attempt to bullshit me, Gam. Dispense with the mind games and bullshit you pull on others, I'm keyed in already. I know full well who you are, and- STRIKE ONE- you've known about me far longer than a year, when ... first asked you to contact me. I know enough of your history with the corrupt and disgusting PCSO network of scum to not trust you.

To begin with, you need to build trust with me. Explain why every source who mentions you, unprovoked, talks of your dirty partner and pal, ...STRIKE TWO.

Now that I've killed off the wankfest of pleasantries, what do you want? Get to the point, don't waste my time. And show me your credentials. Don Stoy got you the new gig at Hagwood's trough, and both of them are corrupt scumbags, so I have every reason to distrust you.

You have to work to earn my trust, and you're deep in the red.

As you can see, I'm up-front and bluntly honest. If you prove anything but the same, you're dead to me. Anything I tell you that gets back to Fuckweed and I'm done with you, full stop. DO NOT FUCK WITH ME, I'm no idiot.

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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:35 am

I was just doing a Keddie search on google to see what's been published online in the past few days. This popped up as being published around 10 pm last night, a 30 minute interview with Mike.

Watch with the comfort you know what he's talking about, whereas newbies don't always know the importance.

As I said before, he and I have been firing on all cylinders the past few weeks, shooting emails back and forth (as Mike said, "we're on a roll"). Still, Gamman never mentioned this interview. I just found it thru a natural google search...

At 3 am? Yeah, sleep trouble. New mask for my CPAP.

The guy that did the interview banned it from being watched outside of his YouTube channel, so you must VISIT THE BELOW LINK to hear. Don't state any remarks that can tie you to this forum. Our ability to work and discuss rationally depends on safety, achieved mainly via anonymity.

HEAR THE INTERVIEW BY CLICKING THIS LINK
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 01, 2017 2:43 pm

What, zero replies about this very informative interview? Thirty minutes of PCSO SA Mike Gamberg, and NO QUESTIONS?
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wtf?

He brings up many things, some of which I'm willing to speak to. You note his hesitancy on many points, and I'm learning where my own boundaries are about what I'm comfortable disclosing.

We have several by the short and curlies. We need just a little more info.

PLEASE if you know ANYTHING contact Mike. If not, contact me as the buffer.
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Re: gamman

Postby Billyalshef » Wed Nov 01, 2017 3:06 pm

Omg , I love the statement he made about what wasnt done, D.T. is sweating a cold sweat, loon, dj, Mike and the Greek are not sleeping well, great interview!
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Re: gamman

Postby Cheshire » Wed Nov 01, 2017 4:28 pm

Love the warning to the accomplices. Not sure why he didn't challenge the assertion that the boys slept through the murders.
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:24 pm

Mike Gamberg certainly knows what is worthy of a judge or, if needed, a Grand Jury.

It took a Grand Jury of idiots to know a fuckweed like Trump is a Russian fuck. They have indicted his besties. Trump is a felonious felon who deserves my boot stamp up his ass.

Mind you, Grand Juries aren't lobbied on the basis of fucking assholes like me, they are lobbied by bought and sold lawyers far higher than you stupid cunts assume.

Ignorance is bliss, bitches.
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 01, 2017 6:27 pm

Cheshire wrote:Not sure why he didn't challenge the assertion that the boys slept through the murders.


I need to spend less time telling the truth to newbies and idiots and stick to what can indict. Thanks, Chesh!
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:20 am

One thing worth mentioning: Long ago, I falsely asserted the autopsy reports indicated two hammers of two different sizes. As I mentioned to Gam AND posted on this forum as a retraction, this was a bullshit conclusion on my part. The pathology is pathetic, and the guy who did the autopsies was a fucking moron that day.

The measurements of 1/2 inch and 5/8ths inch are descriptions of wounds, not weapons.

Marty clearly indicated he used his hammer, even describing both hammers used. He described it as murder by hammers, then knives "after they were dead". Fucking A.

"I'd love to see the hammer out of that cabin, the wooden one. I've been in that house and I know they kept it on the porch. My hammer is missing. Blue." :"I'd have used my hatchet" Knife-throwing maggot.

I was 100% wrong in my deduction, but I was 100% right when I indicated two hammers were used.

I've seen a few autopsy photos and believe reconstruction will prove two hammers. Jesus, I've seen autopsy photos. I'm used to them now, but this is so fucking personal. Between killers and victims, between current LE finding a solve, between me and all the victims.

Anyone asking why I got involved needs to look at my posts. 30% of this forum is my wankfest jabbering, about 20% of my shit worthwhile.

When it comes to "two hammers", Fuck me for being wrong. And right. Again.

Marty wanted to see the wooden-handled hammer he knew was used in the murders. He knew where it was stored. He described another hammer used in the attacks, the one we found.

Marty put himself in 28 so many motherfucking times in that one interview. And Marilyn, when asked if Sue was fucking Marty, said he probably never met her.

Marilyn is a murderer.
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Re: gamman

Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 4:49 am

Also note how Mike politely states Tina was used as a ruse. "Found" on the anniversary. The paperwork on Tina is mindboggling.

Every time I get down, it's about Dana and John, men. They died fighting against equipped and planned killers. But they ran into the fight. They died as true heroes, true men.

Let's call Johnny by his adult name, John.
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Re: gamman

Postby budrfligh » Fri Nov 03, 2017 12:16 pm

I took some notes while listening to this interview. I note he doesn't address the kids as awake and I feel there is a good reason for that. First it protects tRick and Greg from media and other bombardments. I think it is also protecting the viability of prosecution in regards to Justin. Greg and Rick may still feel safe someday to talk. I wonder if Greg, being so young recalls what happened or believes what he was taught happened.
I heard that trust is beginning to grow and calls are being made regarding the case. This means people are talking. I heard him say when Tina was found and the explanation of Pedrini, although not named, was he thought it an ancient artifacts. ( her skull) He said there was no COD but that her removal was while she was "incapacitated" that really struck me.
He went on to say that there are accessories involved who they are coming for that know they're coming and where they are.
He also comments on LE not investigating this properly for nefarious reasons as well.
My thoughts are if you were a poi you should be afraid and that includes the LE involved. Justin better tell the truth or he is going down too.
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