CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

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CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Fri Nov 03, 2017 10:47 pm

The reason I had difficulty believing the bartender's account of Sue shagging Marty is the mindblowing other shit she brought up: She gave John and Dana the ride to Keddie late Saturday night. The reason it's been secret for 35 years is she didn't want to get Kathy Beckley in trouble for her affair with Dana.

Kathy had promised them a ride, but had no gas, so she had her mom contact the bartender- mutual friends- and she went and picked the boys up later, she reckons between 10-11 pm, maybe even later. She said Keddie seemed really spooky that night- 28 was dark, no exterior lamp on, and the internal lighting was very dim. She was very uneasy, and got the hell out of there.

This account has been confirmed by two sources, a family member and Kathy herself.

So, the boys got home to Keddie around that time of night. 35 years of nagging questions solved.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Billyalshef » Sat Nov 04, 2017 12:16 am

Absolutely mind blowing! I hope this has a snowball effect on people coming forward, seems even the smallest secrets can help explain so much.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:14 am

Do we know the bartender's name?

So much for Craig's bullshit story. That guy was such a liar!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Salem » Sat Nov 04, 2017 9:16 am

So where did the bartender pick them up? Did they go back to the Chevron station on the corner of Lawrence and Hwy 70? Did she get them at the park, near the college, or where? Do you know?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby alliharp3 » Sat Nov 04, 2017 10:08 am

I think what you have accomplished on this case is remarkable!! Just know you have a fan in WV I wish I had your smarts and dedication keep up the great work!!!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby budrfligh » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:27 pm

Things seem to be connecting a lot as of late. People are finally coming forward. These tiny details seem so unimportant but matter so very much. 11p.m. or later.... Latest would be bar close I'd imagine. After all the elusive J/D stories that night a credible source is dreamy! No outside light, interior dimly lit.... Did she recall if they went in the front door? I ask because they may have made their way around back towards John's room.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Sat Nov 04, 2017 1:40 pm

I'll have more info on this in a few days. I was talking about it to Mike a couple days back, but I'd just cut the crap out of my had and was on a pain pill, so I wasn't exactly remembering what was being said, so I cut the call short so I could get home and crash.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Dogfur » Sat Nov 04, 2017 2:02 pm

If this is accurate it certainly eliminates the myriad of possibilities that the “Bad Ride” speculation brought into play. It makes the killers almost certainly Keddie ‘occupants’ on the night of 4-11. It also causes revisit to some interesting spec on the activities of J & D leading up to 1:15 muffled screams.

It is very damning to Sylvester Thomas and the crew of law enforcement ‘specialists’ that don’t seem to be interested when this info was screaming to be followed up.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby satsirk » Sun Nov 05, 2017 9:43 am

Wow! It is so eerie how many people we either knew or know that have been quiet all these years and seems sickening to myself how they could...if they didn't murder anyone they should have found a way or someone to talk to. This could have saved a lot of heart ache from the "not knowing a damn thing" Shame on LE the most for not doing their job like we expect them to! I do believe they were hired to protect us, not cover up crimes of bad people. I'm talking about the past, not the present. UGH!
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby Ausgirl » Sun Nov 05, 2017 4:33 pm

So would this push back the estimated time of the initial attack.. a couple hours? Given the 10-11 'maybe later' time frame and the observed and unusual darkness of the place.

Were the screams heard maybe not Sue or Tina.. but a teenaged boy (Johnny, as Dana was most likely dead in the first minute they entered that house..) in terrible pain and terror? Or maybe one of the female victims was still alive at that point..

Absolutely supports that the perps returned for the staging hours later. Gotta wonder if that was Bo's idea, yeah?

Incredible, that these details are seeing light now.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby budrfligh » Sun Nov 05, 2017 7:03 pm

What king of automobile was used? Anything fit into sightings?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Sun Nov 12, 2017 3:45 am

Try thinking back to when forums first popped up about this horrid crime. 2005?

I'd say far less than 10% interactive today were active then. I'd say maybe 200000% more assholes are present today, never active then.

I'd say Craig, claiming he took J&D home, is finally proved the cunt I said he was in 2006.

I'd say even outsiders recognize lots more cunts and liars than the pedo-fuck Craig have been outed as the liars they are.

Yeah, and I'd say Mike Gamberg never wasted his time after the dumb cunts we know as liars.

Unless they lied about something important, the MAGGOTS.

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The timing of the following 'find' is perfect. I was working on the Timeline Z reboot today, and finally found the report that lists addresses and phone numbers of witnesses who saw J&D on Sat. It includes info from Beckley, and her address. I think it answers a thousand Qs, like why were people at Downtown Trailer Park including her in a gossip bitchfest? Why were J&D seen by Van's and Chevron? When did Ms X pick them up? How did she find them?

Kathy lived about 100 yards from the Exxon, as the crow flies. She lived immediately adjacent to the Downtown TP. If following the roads, it's about 300 yards, but if you take the shortcut (go between the Chevron and the trailers, then walk south behind to Kathy's apt), It's about 175 yards.

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You don't have to be as smartt as Marde to see how easy it would be for the boys to keep in contact with Kathy, or find them nearby wouldn't take much effort.


Time to shoot a couple more elephants in the room:

Sightings of J&D seem to have them moving around, disappearing for stretches of time, and reappearing elsewhere. Mainly, Exxon, Van Gas, Chevron. From Exxon, walk north to Van, cross Crescent to Chevron, cut south to Kathy's. That's the short cut to Kathy's down to the footstep.

So, the boys were possibly going back to Kathy's to update her on their lack of success. Kathy is probably still not being fully truthful, coming from a place of grief, regret, shame, embarrassment, ultimately guilt, including this bit.

Did the boys call 28, as Rick's account is noted in some reports/timelines? Or did they call the Meeks or someone else, looking for a ride? Did this info ricochet back to Sue via Nina? If so, why didn't Sue toss the kids in the car and go get them? Or had they already gone to bed, so she wouldn't leave? It's hard to trust anything coming out of 28, since both the killers and victims have been lying for decades.

What we now may assume is the boys returned to Kathy, and perhaps it was their persistence which led to the family friend picking them up. At least it gave them phone access, so they may have called out for a ride. May have called home. One must read the accounts, then ask if LE is lying in the report, if the reporting party is lying, etc., and why?

These possible phone calls from Kathy's house could awaken friend AND FOE to the fact Sue was home alone and the boys were, as of say 9:30, stuck in town begging for a ride. If that were fodder to get a home invasion going, sooner than later is the premise. This invasion still didn't begin til 115, according to screams, so phone calls don't seem to have effected the beginning or outcome of the crimes. Still something to ponder.

One last thing, before the concluding bombshell. The boys could have gone in and chilled upstairs, watching TV, etc. One thing I remember from 2010, when first discussing the TV's odd position: Was it found turned on? Was the TV turned to a channel with a live station received in Keddie? After 7 years, evidence says the TV was off and remained off and was found off. Sue got tired, turned off the TV, went to bed. Next: The tape radio found on the floor. Did Johnny have a radio or stereo of any kind downstairs? If not, why not take the radio? Maybe they did, and maybe it ended up back upstairs. At any rate, I mention all of this because they are moot points: Whether John had a $5 tape deck or a Sansui stereo system with an Ortofon cartridge on the tonearm is immaterial. We'll never know at this point, and my assessment is they were hanging out downstairs in The Bachelor Pad, away from the family and doing what they wanted. I still say they were downstairs, and ran up into hell.

BOMBSHELL: The lady who dropped them off said it was eerie in Keddie, the front of 28 was unlit, and the interior was dimly lit. END OF BOMBSHELL.

DEDUCTION: The killers did NOT walk into an unlit cabin that night. Sue, probably, had left the bathroom light as a navigation and nightlight. Probably did EVERY night:

Nightlight for Tina and Greg, Navigation light for all- including John- to get to the bathroom or elsewhere. The killers used it, and probably never turned on another light. And the neighbors didn't notice it because it was the norm.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby budrfligh » Tue Nov 14, 2017 10:32 pm

Ok John and Dana have had their ride confirmed. Looks like buisness as usual, potty light on but oddly no porch light? Creepy feeling not withstanding did she race away or did she see the teens get inside? Import is due to walking in front door or running upstairs. Also is there an actual time? What else did she see? Cars, blazers or green vans? Seems it was relatively deserted enough to feel creepy?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Wed Nov 15, 2017 4:31 pm

someone else took the photo. This is 28 pasted in to show relief and decline, and cabin 27 (Seabolts) is gone. Duh... Both were torn down within minutes.

This is just a reminder of how 28 stood in Keddie.

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Check out the trees from the CS photos, I numbered them for you.

Here's the Google Street View of the shortcut between Chevron and the trailer park. If you look across the street, it's Van Gas. A bit more to the right is the Exxon (now a 76).

http://www.google.com/maps/@39.9381661, ... 312!8i6656

BTW, it's the trailer park where Tina and her friend were molested 7/80, and where Justin lived a couple years back.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby red70 » Mon Dec 04, 2017 4:41 pm

Was it the bartender or Kathy Beckley who finally told the police? Was the bartender Judy Lepley (from the PON list)?
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Mon Dec 04, 2017 8:45 pm

Judy is not a source on any of this, to my knowledge, although I'm pretty sure she helped confirm where Karl was not on Sat night. PCSO in 81 had a hard-on for Karl because, like Craig Walters and other pukes, he was inventing BS to make it seem he held keys to the case. Upon Mike's recently re-investigating the truthiness of Spang's statements, he found a 1981 report in which PCSO learned not only that Spang witnessed no fight at the bar, several witnesses stated Spang wasn't at the bar at all. Of course, we know Spang's lying about fronting Johnny and Dana dope, so they didn't burn him that night, yada yada yada.

What we also know as a direct result of lie-checking Karl's BS in 1981, PCSO were told that Marty was having an affair with Sue, was seen at the bar with Sue, and one witness was creeped out by how possessive and jealous he was towards Sue. In 1981, shortly after the murders, PCSO had a killer AND the motive, and did nothing about it. No followup, much less arrest, conviction, etc.

When Mike was reading through the Spang files recently, he remembered me stating Marty was probably jealous and mad as hell Sue had been screwing Dareyl a few yards away from his own bedroom in the weeks leading up to the murders, so he spoke to the source from 81 who said Marty and Sue were clearly in an affair. He got verification from another person, and as a third dose, K Beckley explained J/D's ride home, with her confirmation very consistent with the other accounts. This was without time for rehearsal. Bam, bam, bam.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby red70 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 2:35 pm

I understood Mike's email to say that Deputy Wright talked to a female bartender at the Pioneer Bar who dispelled Karl's story, and same bartender said that Marty was seeing Sue. I know from the PON list that Judy was a (female) bartender from the Pioneer Bar who dispelled Karl's story to Deputy Wright.

You posted this same bartender is the one who gave J/D the ride to Keddie which was confirmed by Kathy and a family member. I have 3 questions: Do you know the name of the bartender who gave the boys a ride to Keddie?
Was it Kathy, the bartender, or a family member who came forward with the information on the ride?
When did this person come forward with this story (1981 or 2017)
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:03 pm

Right bar, right night, wrong bartender. I don't know your age or where you're from, but back in the 80s and 90s, when I frequented bars and was a pool ace, most bartenders were female. Saturday nights, depending how busy and how big, had three or four of them.
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby red70 » Tue Dec 05, 2017 4:21 pm

I'm probably a bit younger than you then and I'm from the east coast so it appears to be very different than what I was used to back in the 90s. 1 male bartender, maybe 2 (at most)
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Re: CONFIRMED: Who Gave J/D the Ride to Keddie

Postby dmac » Tue Dec 05, 2017 11:04 pm

I was falling asleep all afternoon, and was in a rush to get done with a couple emails and answering posts, shut down shop, and get my ass home to crash on the couch for a couple hours' kip. I know there's a couple posts I didn't have time to answer properly. I remember yours as one, and the other's been a bitch to remember.

1> Yes, but I haven't spoken to Mike abt releasing the name. Hell, I haven't even considered it. Unlike Marty, Loon, Bo, Dee, Tony, Justin, et al, this witness is not a murderous piece of shit, so I haven't thought of releasing the name. Suffice to say it's not a known liar (ie Craig, Loon, Nina, Karl, Chuck, Hankie, et al) and, unlike much of LE's work on the case, this witness has been vetted. Considering the hate and stupidity I've seen pop up in emails and elsewhere over these revalations, I doubt I will release a name in the foreseeable future. There's clearly still a lot up unstable fuckwits following this case who think a simple solve must be a new conspiracy, particularly when compared to their favored, insane theory.

2> answered earlier, above

3> also answered earlier and above, but maybe not clearly enough?

dmac wrote:What we also know as a direct result of lie-checking Karl's BS in 1981, PCSO were told that Marty was having an affair with Sue, was seen at the bar with Sue, and one witness was creeped out by how possessive and jealous he was towards Sue. In 1981, shortly after the murders, PCSO had a killer AND the motive, and did nothing about it. No followup, much less arrest, conviction, etc.

Yes, PCSO were told Marty and Sue were having an affair in 81. It's in the same 1981 report debunking Spang's liefest about having a motive to both kill J&D (non-existent drug burn at a party J/D never attended; then Karl's clearly false alibi for his whereabouts during the murders). Karl Spang was blatanty threading the needle fpr PCSO to falsely make him a suspect and martyr. Karl's a lifelong, worthless fucknut like Walke, Thompson, Donna, Phil, Craig, etc. I think I made it clear that, when Mike found this file from 81, Spang's bullshit non-alibi wasn't the main revelation exposed. Motive for the murders is.

Once again, the murderers were handed to LE on a platter and, rather than follow up, LE buried it. Mike's recent contact was apparently both a surprise and the first time LE has spoken to the witness about the Sue/Marty fling since the report was filed in 81.
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