Cabin 28 floorplan

facts surrounding the Keddie Murders, for beginners and up

Postby meankitty » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:21 am

not sure wrote:I still don't understand what you were doing "halfway in the doorway and out... ". Were you dropping them off? picking them up? waiting for them? something else? What was the occasion for you to be in the doorway of Cabin28? Why were you at the cabin that time when all the other times you "dropped them off"?
And what was the "A LOT MORE" that you were being used for? Were the boys the only ones who "used" you or were there adults who used you as well?
I believe he was dropping them off and he was standing in the doorway at the time.
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Postby bliss » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:52 am

why would you be standing at the doorway if you're dropping them off??
picking them up? maybe. but if you drop them off, did you get out of the car and walk them to the door?
and if the answe is yes, why not drive all the way to their house that night, instead of up on the highway?
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Postby mutt43 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 12:18 pm

Look
I was not dropping them off and who cares and it has nothing to
do what is important here but to tell you it was not to drop them
off and I think this is why Shelia does not know me because i was
only at the cabin once and usually dropped them off at the top of
the Keddie grade..I mean there was no reason for her to know me
but I am a little curious to know why Monte or Laronda had never ever
mentioned me, nor John or Dana.

I think this is quite weird actually to tell you the truth and it had been
bothering me for awhile..maybe i was just some college person who
gave them rides and that is all and I was right..they all used me!
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Postby dmac » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:10 pm

Why does it matter, Craig?

For someone who claims he was both 'only known by a handful of people' around Quincy and Keddie because you were a self-imposed loner, you also claim you were well-known by a lot of locals as a free taxi? INCONGRUOUS.

You were friends with Sue and the boys, yet now you're hurt because you suddenly realize they weren't friends- they were only using you as a taxi? INCONGRUOUS.

Your free taxi service took them all the way from Quincy to Keddie many times, yet you usually dropped them off on the highway? That's about half a mile to #28 from either the main bridge or the footbridge to the north. You only crossed the camp road bridge twice, once being the night of the murders? UNBELIEVABLE.

The Sharps had only been in town for a matter of months yet you, the self-described loner, not only befriended Sue and the boys-- separately from each other, mind you, not all at once (think of that astronomical chance)-- but their closest friends? OUTRAGEOUS!

Why it matters, Craig? From your first days on C28's forum to now, you've added nothing of merit to the discussion, yet your constant barrage of posts continue to contradict themselves, if not indisputable facts surrounding the case, and obfuscate topics and threads meant to push the discussion forward.

You are an unmeritorious distraction, Craig.

That's why it matters, Craig. That's why.
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Postby mutt43 » Tue Jun 08, 2010 2:22 pm

1/2 mile from the highway to the cabin

I think not and it was maybe just over 2 football (changed!)
field length if you took the trail down. It was just a little
tricky at night to maneuver so that is why I said 5-6 minutes
to get there AT NIGHT..daylight maybe 2-3 minutes tops.

I was there in the area and knew of the different trails to keddie!


I knew Sue through FRC and that is all I knew her through
so get that straight and i knew John and Dana through Laronda
and Monte and that is how I met them

I was not a loner forsay as you talk about and I was up there going
to school and knew no one..I was not trying to be a loner for said by you.

I never said I was closest friends and never did I say that..always said
I knew them and consider them friends but I guess I was just a ride!
I saw them just a few days a week as I have always have said..ALWAYS!

barrages of posts..um I average 3.4 posts a day and that is it and that is
far from being a barrage.....

DMac..do us a favor and stop trying to pick a fight and be POSITIVE on here
as this Cabin28 stuff wont fly on here!

thanks

By the way Dmac....good to see you still around and nice hearing from you
again :)
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Postby Night Rider » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:05 pm

You're both wrong, it's about 1200 feet from the highway.

And just why is anyone talking about the footbridge? No one has mentioned that for years. That is a very round about way to get in.

And isn't that section north of Spanish Creek private property, and not part of the Resort?
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Postby Neon Bulb » Tue Jun 08, 2010 4:46 pm

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Postby coffee is love » Tue Jun 08, 2010 7:28 pm

lol! nice posts guys... but anyway, craig, it is relevant as to why you were there and when. why is it that you wont just say why you were there and when? do you have some more things you need to hide? im sure if pcso knew you were there one time sometime before the murders without known reason, they'd be quite curious.
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Postby not sure » Tue Jun 08, 2010 10:27 pm

Yes, coffee, yes it is relevant. Well said.

Craig, once again you skirted around the question.

You said you were halfway in the doorway. What was the occasion for you to be in the doorway of Cabin28 prior to the murders? I agree with Bliss that it was highly unlikely you were dropping anyone off as you probably would have stayed in the car. So what, pray tell, would have been such an occasion that you would have been lingering just outside/inside the doorway?
Here's another question...did you touch that door that day you were halfway inside, halfway out?
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Postby mutt43 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 12:46 pm

It was way before the murders that I was at the cabin that one time and
I mispoke or typed and i mean two football fields and where are you guys
getting these figures of 1,200 feet or 2,108 feet..google does not have a
distance from the trail going down and which trail are you talking about..as
there are several at that time..you are talking about the driveway than that
is alot further and even cutting from the driveway to the trail there is alot
further..the foot bridge is not even on goggle so what the hell Neon are you
talking about here...please tell me exactly how you found this out and please
post it FOR US ALL.

thank you

Coffee is love..the PCSD and people think I am a joke anyways and it is not
revelent because iI was there like others had been at the cabin way before
the murders. I will tell you once and I will tell you again...repeating again...
I am not going to say certain things because yes there are reasons why to not
say things and there are others who come on here and I wont name names but
they lived up there at the time and have said they wont say certain things either,
The killers are still out there in some numbers!
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Postby mutt43 » Wed Jun 09, 2010 5:26 pm

This is my own idea and those of Valley,as we have discussed this on
several occasions..we are talking about control in both the cabin and also
outside..thus nothing was seen or heard that night..explains alot and
Valley came up partially originally on this concept when we talked a while
ago at the Amtrak station.

We know that to control the cabin, there had to be atleast three perps in
there and we agree on that Kitty but also as important is control of the
outside area of the cabin..people were still up at the bar and walking
around that time of night!

Who was in the cabin and who was outside..we may never know unless
there is a big break in the case!

AGAIN THESE ARE ONLY IDEAS THAT VALLEY AND I CAME UP WITH AND
KITTY AGREES WITH US ABOUT THREE PERPS IN THE CABIN.....I also
said something that I would myself would do and I think alot who woud do
in first taking the numbers of perps versus you or the people who was with
you and then take the size of the othr side..size them up in other words and
that is me though and might not apply though I know people do that!

This is important that the other side or the perps would do the same I would
think in sizing up who and how they would control the people in the cabin and
sizes and how many etc....the control game in other words!
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Postby dawghouse » Wed Jun 09, 2010 7:12 pm

mutt43, I can't help but notice that you still haven't answered not sure's question.
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Postby coffee is love » Wed Jun 09, 2010 9:05 pm

craig why were you there?
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Postby coffee is love » Sat Jun 12, 2010 12:36 pm

hey craig you would mind answering my questions as well as ns's question?
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Postby not sure » Mon Jun 14, 2010 2:57 pm

That's what he said but he hasn't explained what it was he was doing there, standing in the doorway, in the first place.

Craig, what was the occasion for you to be standing in the doorway of Cabin28?
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Postby mutt43 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 11:04 am

waiting for them
ok
damn and this was way way before the murders
so again there is no refeference point to me standing
at the doorway way before the murders.
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Postby bliss » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:01 pm

waiting for them?
I thought you said the only time you went to the door was when you dropped them off?
and it could be relevant Craig.
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Postby mutt43 » Fri Jun 18, 2010 1:35 pm

I said Blissy I dropped them off many times up on the highway
that one time I was not there to drop them off....ok

how is it reveleant since it is way way before the murders??
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Postby bliss » Fri Jun 18, 2010 4:38 pm

the supposed yellow house was ebfore also.
who is to say whats relevant or not?
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Postby dawghouse » Sat Jun 19, 2010 7:26 am

mutt43, based on claims you have made in the past regarding a drug ripoff, any interaction you had with John and Dana is relevant. Could you be more specific than 'waiting for them?' Did you feel uncomfortable or unwelcome in the Sharp home? Why would you go to the cabin to pick them up just that one time?

You claim to be 'on the inside' of this case, yet it seems whenever you are pressed for specifics, you throw up your hands and claim that the answer is irrelevant. There were a series of questions that not sure asked of you on the cabin28 board that you either didn't answer very well or completely ignored. It's kind of difficult to consider you credible when you often skate around specifics.
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