LadyKim wrote:1. Why do you suppose that the killers took Tina from the cabin if they were only going to kill her like they had the others?
2. And even more off base I am sure , I thought about the Groeone ( sp? ) murders , where Duncan killed everyone and stole two children, only to murder one of them and keep the other. Very similar murders in my mind.
1- There is no indication Tina was taken alive from the cabin, other than what can be read into Justin's statement:
Tina comes out of her room dragging a blanket, and asks, "What's going on?" The two men then rush to Tina and grab her by the arms and drag her out the back door as she cries "help, help." Later, the brown-haired suspect returns and covers up Sue with the blanket.
Marty claimed in the confession Tina was 'incapacitated' prior to being removed from the cabin. Many factors bear that out, including logic: why would Marty and Bo remove Tina, kicking and screaming, from the cabin in the middle of murdering three others? Is Justin implying Tina magically woke up after the murders occured (with the men returning only to cover Sue with Tina's blanket)? It is far more likely that Tina was awakend when the killers entered the cabin and confronted Sue in the bed opposite Tina. The significant signs of disturbance/struggle in that room can't be ignored. Tina's skull was also found with damage consistent with injuries sustained by the other victims.
Dee and Marilyn (and likely others) can tell us what happened and in what order, and the hows and whys, but we currently don't know. With all the heavy crap Bo and Marty were bringing into Keddie (cops, attention, investigation), it's highly unlikely they left Tina within Keddie that early morning, much less alive. The quietest, easiest way to get Tina out of Keddie was to remove her body out the back door, down to the back footbridge, and up the hill to the highway. Then they just have to pull over and retrieve the body so they can drive to Camp Eighteen.
Gauging from the damage done in Cabin 28, and the elaborate steps taken to hide the true nature of the crimes, I believe Tina's body was removed from Cabin 28 and placed elsewhere to, again, hide the truth. All the staging has been meant to obfuscate. In fact, Tina's initial removal from the cabin is one of the earliest points of staging. One could also resonably deduce that the staging poorly executed on Sue, Dana, and Johnny was meant to show the mother and boys struggled valiantly to save Tina from being kidnapped. But, of course, it's just poorly executed staging, which means Tina was never the target.
In one sentence, all of the above means I believe Tina was taken from the cabin, dead, to make it appear Tina was the target of the whole crime.
2- I didn't follow the Duncan crimes too closely, other than while Shasta was still missing. There seems to have been a media blackout of sorts about Duncan (thankfully for Shasta- who needs a media spotlight after what she's been through? Screw Duncan, convict him and let him rot in jail with no celebrity wasted on him, until he's shanked to death by another inmate). What I do recall is Duncan planned this whole attack out for some time, and it was very elaborate. He seemed to relish the planning and execution. It would not surprise me at all if he was aware of the Keddie murders, because he's a fan of murderers and spent a lot of time on the web. While aspects of the intial Groene attacks may match the Keddie crimes, how they were executed and the results were very different.
Groene took delight in killing his victims, but the targets were the two kids, particularly Shasta. Duncan stated the boy was eventually accidentally killed, but he was likely executed after Duncan grew bored or needed another fix or needed to get rid of baggage. Likely a mix of all three. Two kids were misssing, so only having one kid with him made him less suspicious.
Whether Duncan was emulating the Keddie murders is known only to him and the computer specialists and google experts who were able to retrieve details from his web footprint. That Jesse, from the noxious other site and board, found enough in Duncan's actions to become a groupie, speaks to Jesse's own motivations in building a site about the Keddie crimes in the first place.
