Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

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Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby dmac » Tue Aug 18, 2015 9:12 pm

I'm calling this Timeline K because it comes from "Keddiemurdersmovie.com". This was put together by Josh when he ran that site, which imploded in 2008, prior to his keddiemurdersfilm.com site. Therefore, this 'timeline' probably predates 2008.

I never paid much attention to these numbered timelines (they aren't timelines, just a collection of factoids with rarely any indication of sources), and I doubt I've ever read all the way through this one- even now. Still, these timelines should be collected in one place, read, compared. Much of this has all the hallmarks of Josh: "no concrete evidence Sue was a prostitute", "Dana once knocked out lights at the airport". I wasn't around the case at all at that time (I briefly was involved with Cabin28.com's forum c. 2006, then didn't get involved again until mid-2010) when it became too unruly, and there were already a few keddie forums that had imploded by then, so I can't argue whether this work by Josh is the source of so much misinformation over the years, but at least we see Josh stating or repeating these things c. 2007.

As Josh mentions in his intro, he'd somehow highlighted passages in yellow that were rumor/spec. Those highlights have been lost, unfortunately.

This post is collected from this thread. Thanks to mk and dcheryl for getting them onto this forum. It may have been lost forever otherwise.


josh hancock wrote:PLEASE READ THIS FIRST: A work in progress, this timeline will attempt to gather basic information regarding the Keddie Murders in logical order. The information presented here will be taken from official sources whenever possible. I have presented some insight into the victims as provided by family and friends because it might be relevant to the case. I have made a few notes in yellow along the way, doing my best to differentiate between fact and rumor. Of course, one could argue that nearly everything in this timeline is rumor to begin with. Please help me add to this timeline, if you can, by writing to keddiemurdersmovie@yahoo.com.


1. In November of 1980, the Sharp family moves into Cabin 28 in Keddie, California. The Sharp family consisted of Glenna "Sue" Sharp, 36; John, 15; Sheila, 14; Rick, 13; Tina, 12; and Greg, [will post age].

2. John Sharp befriends 17-year-old Dana Wingate, who, at the time of the murders, was living in a receiving home run by Dan Doris.

3. Though it has been speculated that Sue Sharp dealt in drugs and/or prostitution, there has never been any concrete evidence to support these ideas. People who knew Sue described her as quiet and kind. Sue's husband, James Sharp, was out of state at the the time of the Keddie homicides.

4. Dana was known to drink, smoke pot, and occasionally get into trouble. He once smashed out some lights at the Quincy airstrip. However, by all accounts, he was a kindhearted and fun-loving person.

5. Siblings, relatives and teachers of Tina Sharp describe her as somewhat "slow" in school; otherwise, by all accounts, Tina is a vivacious girl with angelic features and beautiful blue eyes.

6. John, or Johnny, Sharp was the daredevil of the family, known to climb bridge girders and play practical jokes on his siblings and cousins. Like his friend Dana, John did drink beer and smoke pot.

7. Sometime in the afternoon on April 11th, 1981, Dana asks Dan Doris if he can spend the night at John Sharp's house that evening. Mr. Doris gives his consent, but his wife insists that John and Dana not hitchhike the seven miles from Quincy to Keddie.

8. John and Dana do decide to hitchhike and are spotted several times throughout the afternoon and early evening [ see below].

9. Meanwhile, Sheila Sharp decides to spend the night with her friend at the Seabolt house next door to Cabin 28. Though Tina usually spends the night at the Seabolts on Saturdays, it is decided that only the older girls, Sheila and Alicia Seabolt, would have the sleepover.

10. Sheila states that at the time she went over to the Seabolt residence, she was unaware of Tina's whereabouts. "She could have been outside playing," Sheila suggests later. According to police, Tina arrives at the Sharp cabin on the evening of April 11th at 9:30 p.m. to go to bed.

11. Sometime during that early evening, Johnny and Dana are at Kathy McCinley's (possible misspelling) house. They are both sober. They had not been drinking or smoking pot, Kathy explains to police later. According to Kathy, they were going to hitchhike to Keddie. John said his mother was expecting them. A diabetic, Dana did have a shot of insulin while at Kathy's.

12. Robert Preston and Bob Whipple are driving past Lumas Motor Supply and see Dana and Johnny hitchhiking. Dana is carrying a large brown shopping bag. Johnny is wearing a red bandana.


13. Donald Rumsey sees Dana and Johnny hitchhiking at the country store on Fairgrounds Road. Rumsey says later that he gave Dana a ride to the Exxon station, but not Johnny. Rumsey was on a motorcyle. Dana tells Rumsey that some people are after him (Dana).

14. According to many sources, John and Dana attend a party at Oakland Camp, near Keddie. After the murders, then sheriff Doug Thomas appealed to the youth of Quincy and Keddie to come forward with any information regarding the party, assuring them that they would be not charged with drug use or underage drinking. At that time, however, no one came forward.

15. There has been much speculation as to who gave John and Dana a ride to Keddie. Some people say it was someone named Cathy or Kathy, perhaps the Kathy McCinley from # 11 above; Craig Walters, a frequent visitor to message boards devoted to these crimes, states that he gave the boys the ride to Keddie, though he did not tell police this after the murders; on the Keddie Murders timeline in the PCSO, Jose Carvalino (possible misspelling) states that he gave the boys a ride to Keddie that evening.

16. According to police reports, the PCSO cannot verify the whereabouts of John and Dana after 10:15 p.m. on April 11th. PCSO states that the two boys were last seen hitchhiking toward Keddie from the corner of Crescent and Lawrence Streets in downtown Quincy between 9 and 10:15 p.m. that evening.

17. Living a few cabins away from the Sharp family are Martin and Marilyn Smartt. John "Bo" Boubede, a friend of Martin's, lives with them. According to police, Martin and Bo met at a veteran's hospital in Reno, Nevada.

18. According to Marilyn, that evening Marty and Bo want to go to the Backdoor, a bar in Keddie. Bo needed a partner, so Martin insists that Marilyn ask Sue Sharp to attend. Sue declines the offer, which, according to Marilyn, makes Martin and Bo angry.

19. According to Marilyn, Martin and Bo stayed late at the Keddie bar. Marilyn says later that she went to sleep early that evening. In the documentary, Marilyn states that she woke up at approximately 2 a.m. to see Martin and Bo burning something in the wood stove.

20. Meanwhile, a friend of the Sharp family, 13-year-old Justin [last name withheld by request], is spending the night in Cabin 28 with Rick and Greg Sharp. Justin remembers having popcorn and watching the television show, "The Love Boat." According to many sources, the three boys were in one of the side bedrooms in Cabin 28.

21. After the murders, Justin gives the police two stories. First, Justin says he had a dream that night in which he witnessed certain aspects of the murders taking place. Then, Justin tells investigating officers that he did not have a dream and that he was an actual witness to the crimes. The following incidents, # 22-26, are taken from Justin's statements to police.

22. Justin said that he heard a noise and that he came out into the living room. Two men are standing in the center of the room. Then John and Dana come home and enter the front room.

23. John is arguing with the two men and a fight starts. Dana tries to get away and flees toward the kitchen when the brown-haired man strikes him with a hammer. Sue rushes to John's aid and Justin returns to his room and is looking from the door. The suspects then tie up Johnny and Dana.

24. Tina comes out of her room, dragging a blanket. She asks, "What's going on?" The two men rush to Tina, grab her by the arms, and drag her out the back door as she cries "help, help!" Later, the brown-haired suspect returns and covers up Sue with a blanket.

25. Justin hears one of the suspects say Sue's name. The suspect has brown hair, past his ears, curly at the end. He wears the same kind of glasses as the other man and the same kind of clothes, according to Justin.

26. Justin says the man used a knife on Johnny. "I was down by Sue, trying to take care of her. All the blood was running down."

27. A statement from then sheriff Doug Thomas after the murders: "We have reason to believe that the three were dead sometime between midnight and 2 a.m."

28. According to published reports, "no one heard anything," not even the late-night strollers who passed directly by Cabin 28.

29. There is no sign of forced entry in the cabin. There are signs throughout the cabin that there was a struggle during the murders.

30. Sheila Sharp returns home on the morning of April 12th, 1981, and steps through the front door. She observes the three victims on the floor; she also notes a bent knife. She runs back to the Seabolt residence and tells Zonita Seabolt what she saw. Mrs. Seabolt departs for another cabin to call the police.

31. With the aid of the Seabolts, Sheila retrieves Justin, Rick and Greg from out the bedroom window. Justin states later that he was scared to return home at that time.

32. Police arrive at the scene, including then sheriff Doug Thomas.

33. Located in the cabin were some additional knife marks in the short east interior wall between the two south wall windows. But there was nothing conclusive that a knife had been left sticking into the wall when the suspect or suspects left. All the knife marks on that wall were slightly raised on one side, indicating that the knife was removed after being stuck into the wall. It was removed at an angle to the right.

34. Later, FBI agent Larry Ott describes observing all the knife marks on the wall.

35. According to PCSO officer Klement: John was lying face up with hands bound as well as his feet. The binding on his feet led to Dana Wingate, who was lying face down. The binding, an electrical cord, was also tied around the feet of Dana WIngate. Dana was lying on his right arm with his left arm to his side.

36. Dana's head was on a cushion on the floor. Sue was on the other side of the living room and her hands were bound with electrical wire which led to her feet in front, which were also bound by the same wire. Sue also had blood about her head and neck. All three bodies were cold and still.

37. There was a bent steak knife near John Sharp and also a butcher knife and a claw hammer in the living room that were also used as weapons. The last two items were side by side on a small wooden table near the entry into the kitchen. They were also blood covered.

38. The male victims were fully clothed. The female was covered with a blanket. All three had been either stabbed or bludgeoned or both.

39. The phone was off the hook. All the drapes were pulled close. There were no lights on in the house except for the light in the bedroom. The door to the children's bedroom could not be closed due to clothing lying in the doorway. The blinds in the children's bedroom are hanging out the window and the window is open.

40. Seized and entered into evidence were a fingerprint from a roof post at the bottom of the rear stairs outside, and a button found on the ground at the rear of the residence.

41. As the victims are being identified, Justin insists to Doug Thomas that Tina is missing. According to Justin, he says this repeatedly to Mr. Thomas.

42. While under hypnosis conducted by Doug Thomas, Justin describes two suspects who did the killings to Reno Police Department artist Harlan Embry. Embry draws a composite of the sketches. According to Thomas, hypnotism was used because it can bring out knowledge from people that would not surface when they are conscious

43. According to some people, the two sketches resemble Martin Smartt and John "Bo" Boubede. Others say the sketches resemble John Sessions and Dale Meeks.

44. Martin Smartt tells police that his hammer was missing. It had a steel head and a blue steel handle. According to then sheriff Doug Thomas, Martin would provide endless clues and possible evidence of what happened that night, each one designed to throw the suspicion away from him, according to Thomas.

45. Shortly after the murders, Martin Smartt checks into the same hotel as John Boubede in Klamath Falls, Oregon, and they share the room.

46. Sheila Sharp tells police that an off white colored wooden tool box is missing from the kitchen next to the refrigerator. It contained vice grips, pliers, and screwdrivers, normally. It also contained the hammer used as a weapon. Also missing are Tina's brown lace-up shoes with the word "GASS" on the sole. Tina's red coat is also missing. It is a nylon coat, waist length with a zipper front.

47. In the documentary, Marilyn Smartt explains that a coat belonging to Tina was found in their basement that had blood on it. Is this the same red nylon coat that was missing from Cabin 28?

48. There is much speculation as to whether or not this toolbox (see # 46) is the same "box" that others say was a school project belonging to Tina. Some speculate that Tina was fond of a shoebox used possibly for a school project and that she took this with her from the cabin. Again, no one has determined if these are one in the same. Neither box has ever been recovered.

49. A ramp to a gun sight was found in the Sharp home.

50. A blue windbreaker-type jacket with red/white stripes was found on the floor next to the victim Wingate at the crime scene.

51. A man named Chuck Walke was observed by someone named Maggie to have cuts on his hands that had scabbed over and appeared to be old.

52. It was reported that Martin Smartt checked out of hotel in Klamath Falls with a white female adult about 30 years old in a red van.

53. According to Thomas, a two-day intensive search of the Keddie area by four dog teams turned up absolutely no trace of Tina Sharp.

54. A week after the murders, Thomas says in published reports, "It looks more and more with every day passing that Tina is probably not going to be found alive." According to Thomas, the FBI has "backed off" from the case. The FBI initially entered the case because it was theorized that Tina had been kidnapped.

55. A week after the murders, Thomas states that there is no physical search for Tina being conducted at that time. "The investigation is not moving as fast as we would like it, but we still feel it will be solved," Thomas says.

56. Blood samples taken from the walls, floors and other items in the house have all turned up as Type O in laboratory experiments, according to Thomas. Thomas says, "But that doesn't help, because the entire Sharp family has "O" blood."

57. Autopsies reveal that there were no signs of drugs or alcohol in any of the victims. In addition, no drugs or stolen goods were found in the Sharp home.

58. There were no definite defensive wounds on John or Dana, but there were several on Sue.

59. Rumors circulate that the murders involved an occult or devil-worshippers, though Thomas claims these are only rumors and have no merit. During the documentary, several residents of Quincy state that "Satan worship" was involved, but these claims have never been verified.

60. Carla McMullen states that Johnny and Dana had stolen ten sheets of acid from someone and that was why they were killed.

61. Terry Alger said that [the murders] were because of a big dope deal and someone was at the wrong place [at the wrong time].

62. Marilyn Smartt said she felt her husband Martin and his friend John Boubede could have committed the murders.

63. Lividity on legs of Wingate indicates he was in a semi or sitting position at the time of his murder. This was confirmed in an interview we conducted with Doug Thomas.

64. The investigation includes an examination of similar murder cases in the region, state and as far away as Florida, "but there's been nothing to totally link those other murders to this case," Thomas says. "Someone out there knows something."

65. In 1984, Tina's remains are discovered by a bottle collector in Feather Falls in Butte County, about 50-60 miles away from Keddie. See deleted scenes for the location site.

66. A search of the area where Tina's remains were found turned up empty medical taped dispenser, a portion of a pair of Levi's with one missing rear pocket, and a decomposed blue nylon jacket.

67. In the documentary, Marilyn and the Meeks family are convinced that Martin Smartt and John "Bo" Boubede committed the murders. On message boards about these crimes, the Smartt family has defended Martin's name, stating that he was cleared of all possible suspicion by the PCSO. The Smartt family has confirmed Martin's death due to cancer in [date needed].

68. According to Doug Thomas, one possible suspect is a man who disappeared from Keddie shortly after the slayings and then turned up in Oregon. "But we gave him a polygraph and he passed it," Thomas says. "We found out he had gone to Oregon for employment." This may be a reference to Martin Smartt, but I can't confirm this.

69. In our last interview with Justin, he claims to remember nothing from that night. According to message boards, Marilyn Smartt has since changed her mind about who committed the murders.

[The next section of the timeline is labeled with the title JUSTIN'S DREAM. All entries in this post were reported to D. Thomas]

75. I am on my passenger boat. Somebody got thrown out and there was a fight. He had long black hair, short over the ear. His hair was combed back. He had black glasses with gold ring and a gold frame and black and brown lenses. He had a mustache, jean jacket, blue jeans, no belt. Cowboy boots. Black round toe with a squiggly design. He had a hammer in his left hand and it had a wooden handle and a steel hammering thing and a point at the end.

76. Johnny and Dana fought the man. Dana was almost drunk. He was walking weird. A crowd gathered. Johnny was thrown overboard and Dana. The man ran away. A body was lying on the bow. The mom (Sue). She had black hair and a sheet over her. I looked under the sheet and she was slit on the chest. Everybody started to gather around her and we started to go to shore.

77. The man had a knife like a pocket knife in his right hand. And he cut Sue. He didn't cut her first. No. Before he went off the boat he cut her. There was another man dressed up like him. He was in the crowd. But when the man dove into the water, they killed Sue. Nobody had a gun. Then I woke up.

78. The man just said her name-"Sue." He had brown hair, past his ears, halfway. Curly at the end. Same kind of glasses as the other man and same kind of clothes. He wore marked Army boots, green, like a hiking boot with a Waffle stomper type sole.

79. The man used a knife on Johnny. I was down by Sue, trying to take care of her. All the blood was coming down and I was trying to patch her up with a blue and white flowered rag. I threw the rag in the water. The men both took the life raft, but the brown-haired man covered Sue first. Johnny and Dana touched the wall by the TV while they were fighting.

80. Justin tells polygraph examiner Sam Lister that he did not have a dream and that he witnesses the murders taking place.

[This section of the timeline is labeled JUSTIN'S STATEMENTS.]

81. Justin said that he heard a noise and awoke and went to the doorway and peeked into the living room. Sue was laying on the sofa and the two men he described previously were standing in the center of the room. John and Dana came home and entered the front door. John argues with the two men and a fight starts. Dana tried to get away and fled towards the kitchen when the brown-haired man strikes him with the hammer. Sue rushes to John's aid and Justin returned to his room and hid behind the door. The suspects then tied up Johnny and Dana.

82. Tina comes out of her room dragging a blanket, and asks, "What's going on?" The two men then rush to Tina and grab her by the arms and drag her out the back door as she cries "help, help." Later, the brown-haire suspect returns and covers up Sue with the blanket.

83. Justin told his mother that someone had a sweatsuit on. Johnny's hands were tied and there was blood all over his face. He talked about the TV. Justin said that Johnny and Dana came in at midnight.

84. Justin states, "The man fighting with Johnny called Mrs. Sharp "Sue". Justin said that Johnny was protecting Sue.

85. Justin states that "Sue was cut in the middle of the chest by a black-haired man using a pocketknife."

86. Justin states that in his "dream" that "I ran down to Mrs. Sharp. She had a cut on her chest. I took a rag and put it on her chest!"

87. Justin then got back into bed and covered himself with a blanket were he fell asleep in about an hour.
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby bbragg » Thu Dec 10, 2015 5:15 pm

I don't know if this is the right place to ask this.if sue was afraid that night.why would the doors be unlocked.if I was afraid I would lock all of my door and nail my windows down.i do believe the attack started in the bed room and sue and tina where a sleep.i where glasses and that would be the frist thing I put on my face,even if I went to answer the door.
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby Chichibcc » Thu Dec 17, 2015 3:12 am

bbragg wrote:if sue was afraid that night.why would the doors be unlocked.if I was afraid I would lock all of my door and nail my windows down.


The only thing I could think of is that Johnny didn't have a key on him, so the door was left unlocked for when he and Dana returned, but I'm sure they could've used the door downstairs, next to the back stairwell, since Johnny's room was in the basement, anyway.
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby budrfligh » Wed Mar 23, 2016 4:18 pm

Not sure this belongs ger. I'm sure somebody has asked b4 too. Why didn't anyone go to get Tina? Much to do about extracting the boys. Not a single mention of Tina. I must ask why because it's bugging me. So if its been asked n answered already point me in the right direction please.
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby dmac » Wed Mar 23, 2016 6:03 pm

k budrfligh, here's some important info.

This forum will never be a library where you check out facts and walk away. Forums, however, are designed to have people talk to each other endlessly, not to discuss or display facts of a 1981 quad. You expect the impossible.

realize, resign yourself, walk slowly backwards to a safe corner.

Considering the incredible challenges of utilizing a forum to maintain case facts, you agree we've done a fantastic job. You have no clue what it takes to do so.

Babble on, brook of death.

didn't you call deb an asshole in chat and blame it on texting auto-correct?
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby budrfligh » Wed Apr 13, 2016 12:37 pm

As I have stated I was on mobile without reading glasses. I believe I meant to type it's not like you're an asshole. I was mortified by the error and apologized for it. If I was going to call anyone an asshole I'd have done it by now. Believe me I have bit my tongue out of respect for your work dmac. Ps if I call a name it's usually far more creative. I prefer swamp twat. Fyi
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby dmac » Wed Apr 13, 2016 5:26 pm

I know, budr, I was just doing the old wind-up!
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby TooClosetoHome » Fri Apr 15, 2016 12:51 pm

budrfligh wrote:Not sure this belongs ger. I'm sure somebody has asked b4 too. Why didn't anyone go to get Tina? Much to do about extracting the boys. Not a single mention of Tina. I must ask why because it's bugging me. So if its been asked n answered already point me in the right direction please.



I'm new to this forum, but did belong to the one that imploded from 2004-2008? I was also friends with the kids. My understanding is that they looked into the boys bedroom, and girls bedroom. They saw the boys and got them out, they did not see Tina and may have presumed she got herself out. It is my understanding no one even realized she was missing for several hours. Imagine the chaos. This is a small community, everyone pretty much knows each other. The kids, regardless of age, play with each other. Only the people that were there at the time can truly answer that question.
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Re: Timeline K (Josh c. 2007)

Postby dmac » Fri Apr 15, 2016 1:54 pm

It's important to adjust our understanding of what was being said years ago doesn't align with facts, and that it seems alot of the narrative being spread around as 'the truth' was not only lies meant to screw the investigation, but to soften reality for the victims. That's done so much damage in the long run.

The killers went into the unlocked home and the assaults began in the back (girls') bedroom. The boys slept through NOTHING, and even Marty admitted to cops Justin was awake and watching. He also confessed to his therapist that Tina had to die because she 'saw everything', and was taken from the house 'incapacitated'. We know from reports that Justin admitted to being awake, and that even Greg admitted to the first cop to interview witnesses (on Sunday morning) that he was awakened in the night.

We also know Jamie S admitted to that same PCSO deputy that he entered 28 and went through the entire upstairs. To my knowledge, he's never again <publicly> admitted to going inside 28 that day. Don Davis, Sue's brother, also went through the cabin prior to LE's arrival.

Sue was originally staged in a very elaborate way. By the time she was moved and covered, she was in full rigor. Whoever rolled her onto her side and, in doing so, undid some of the uglier aspects of that staging, is ALSO the person(s) that covered her. It wasn't a killer, as they were long gone.

What we know about the boys' sleeping through the murders is one of the taller piles of horseshit in this case. It also serves many parties: corrupt LE who wanted people to think there were no leads; and the killers, who openly threatened these kids; AND the victims themselves.

I'm sure one reason Sheila has been so reluctant to truthfully and openly answer questions concerning what she saw and what happened that morning is because she feels it better serves her family to continue that particular charade.
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