Johnny Wearing Sheila's Gym Shorts

[dmac]

Aus, I spent hours trying to understand ALL the "blood spots" on Sue's corpse alone. I wrote hours of shit, then realized many similar "blood stains" I supposedly saw are/may be from postmortem petichiea. By investigating all the weird "stains" I saw on Sue, I was floored by what I found. And I walked the FUCK AWAY from my analysis of blood stains "I SEE" in photos nobody else here sees.

I spent DAYS in the library looking up all kinds of info about crime scenes. I came out realizing many of the "blood spots" on Sue, on her legs, were not compatible with blood spatter but are very compatible with postmortem skin spots. Instead of posting some Grand Plan about blood spatter on Sue's legs, I came out with nothing. Other than their is spatter, but so less significant it's significant. It's difficult to learn any of this from a;; photos, but that wall has significant spatter not seen in other areas. Including bodies, carpet, furniture.

Crap photos is incredibly horrific photography of evidence.

AS IN: My selling point was all the black dots on Sue's feet and bare body are the same black-dead blood smashed from Dana's posthumous skull.

In whatever positions Sue was in, her bare skin DOES tell a story.

I realized, by looking at close-ups of massive scans I made of stolen photos Josh sent me, that blood dots present in Sue's feet, ankles, legs, were just circular dots. No splash-spread, no evidence the "stain" was ON her skin (travelling at great velocity) or just UNDER the skin. petechiae!

My attempt to prove blood spatter on Sue left me with ample proof of blood spatter on Sue, but also with these petechiae spots I didn't at all understand at the time. So I researched and killed my article. There is obviously both petechiae and spatter on Sue's bare skin, as seen in crime scene and morgue/autopsy shots. My inability to want to fuck up both topics by trying to explain them led me to kill the piece.

All this time later, this weird-ass post shows I can now explain my spot better than then.

I believe there is ample petechiae on Sue's extremities, as well as blood spatter from the W4 head wounds from postmortem Dana, to prove what I was initially seeing as an objective view of objects in situ, and of the timeline itself. Dana killed before Sue or Johnny, his blood from postmortem whacks tells a very vital truth.

I know the photos I've seen can be analyzed by experts with probably five different independent opinions fucking the case five ways. Vidocq aren't paid, blood trauma period. Those W4 wounds hit the opposing wall, and my ongoing belief is proving that very spatter on ALL objects helps to prove positions (and timeline) when W4 was used.

Many experts are incredible in successfully claiming bullshit as truth. Count me out of that list, I have my perfect opinions, but they relent to any fact. Most expert found in courts are there for filthy lucre.

Prove Dana's W4 spatter on other bodies/objects and you help unlock the timeline of killing and staging. Just ONE key of many I've tried to prove, then abandoned.

I found abundant petechiae in photos of Sue, and streaks of blood one would expect from Sue being buck naked and near Dana when the postmortem wounds to his skull smashed blood on walls- and Sue's bare skin.

I still believe Sue was close to Dana when those smacks went down, but my ignorance of how petechiae in Sue's feet and ankles could occur simply knocked the W4 spatter off the map. I had to look at EVERY OTHER PHOTO for the same petechiae. Found none, but killed my thread as an expert at how spatter on Sue proves so much about the timeline of the killings and positioning of bodies.

It's still all there, but finding no spatter where there should be on Sue led to my researching petechiae in extremities. They are dots under her skin, from what I see. Not streaking spatter ON HER SKIN, which I expected to see and even map.

I didn't find what I expected, what I WANTED to see, so I posted about it and abandoned it.

I wish those in Vidocq smoke all my smack as smote.

All of our work, from limited resources, proves original research by armchair flunkies can get the job fucking done.

[dmac]

Weapon Four may not exist.

It would be the perfect myth that the leg from the card table was pulled off and used as a bludgeon. Lightweight, high velocity would be needed to cause those wounds. Blood spatter would be relatively limited to the ceiling and wall BEHIND the whacker.

The rifle tells the story.

Bo was a pre-military pistol-whipper, Marty was a gun and knife fiend, so no surprises a rifle barrel was used to fuck up Sue. In her FACE. Sue's face was fucked up more than any other vx. The hole in her cheek perfectly matches the sight found at the scene. The 880 looks just like a .22, so fuck the idea it was seen as a toy by Vx.

W4 may be the barrel of the rifle- the same pellet gun responsible for one pellet being discharged at the scene, and BOTH sights ripped from the barrel.

The killers took almost everything they brought. The table leg may have been used to help hide the fact a rifle barrel was used. Just a weird, yet logical, guess.

Were I seen carrying an 880 and black, I'd have been murdered by cops years ago. I'm a lucky white fuck-knob who despises guns as much as shit cops bent on murder.

This case has reinforced my understanding that most cops are good, and the bad ones need to be convicted for whoring out the rep. Oh, and FUCK LAPD.

[dmac]

I meant to iterate, I believe Sue left the bathroom light on when she went to bed. Perhaps it was SOP to them, to use it as a nightlight and navigation light to the bathroom, particularly considering Johnny had to come upstairs at night if he needed to use it.

The bathroom light is what I believe was noticed when J&D were dropped off. It would be enough indirect light to give the drapes a dull glow, and the direct light into the living room is a perfect match for the Kill Zone. That same light was still on when the killers entered, and was used throughout the crime. Perhaps a flashlight was brought. Perhaps they momentarily turned on other bedroom lights, but kinda doubtful they would do it anytime soon after the screams. The killers also apparently used the yellow droplight on the back porch at some time, as it was noticed to be on at 4 am-ish by the mom in 24- The Big Pink.

Now, where the hell is the thread about Kathy Andrea's acct?

[Ausgirl]

There's similar round spots on the shoes by her body, too, though.. and wasn't there some on Dana's jeans?

Shoes don't get post mortem spots.. just sayin.

[dmac]

I'm not sure what you mean about round spots. Similar to what?

One of my earliest CS photo observations were the round spots on the shoes and footstool. The foot stool had more streaks of blood than anything. I said the spots on the shoes appear as if someone was directly overhead, and the blood dropped straight down. Close, no spatter.

It could be from a number of wounds suffered by any of the victims. I don't see many spots of blood ANYWHERE near the shoes themselves, but by the time the photos were taken, the killers had moved bodies around, Justin had moved Sue- shifting the couch.

Ignore where the shoes were found and think more about where they may have been. Why no round blood spots all around the shoes?

Was all the clothing staging? Not a laundry basket in the house, yet a bloody cardboard box found in the dumpster- alongside a twisted and bloodied tissue (nose bleed? rain-drop blood spots?) If you dump a box of clothes, it's in a clump. Laundry was everywhere.

I've always seen the clothing AND the blood as a timeline. A layered timeline. Repositioning of any item would send Sherlock Holmes reeling: which came first? Almost all is locked in the details. None of us are Doyle, nor were we on-site to see witness an undisturbed scene.

Thus, we don't know the scene as disturbed during the killings, before disturbed by the killers during postmortem posing, before disturbed by Justin (and Rick?), disturbed by Sheila, Don, Jamie S, before disturbed by LE. We only have AFTER fucked by LE. And scant few of those shitty photos hold the truth we need to determine the series of events.

My takeaway is a cardboard box holding laundry may have been in play. I believe they killers used a box to remove evidence, including shit they brought. But they missed the rifle sights, the TWO CAMEL PACKS, all the blood on doors, etc etc.

Clothes on the floor are scattered. Sue was down to one smoke, the "morning smoke" as someone brilliantly observed. One clothesline was torn down, three stood almost empty. If Sue was that broke, our known Sue would buy more smokes before ever paying for laundry- much less DRYING- at the Keddie dorm. She would have washed them at Meeks or elsewhere. If laundry drying was a pay-to-play issue, those back lines would have been used. No laundry was done on Sat, according to Justin. Just yard work. Nothing on the surviving lines but a small rug, supported by two lines and a length of 2x4.

All of this is an imploding house of cards. Money found in Sue's purse probably is not the limit of her abilities to get smokes on Sunday. Just one instance to knock down any supporting pillar in a world of maybes.

The scattering of the clothes in the living room may be the ultimate exposure of what we've been missing. The murders were highly staged. I saw clothing all over the ground in both bedrooms in CS fotos. Just slobs living their lives, not tossed around. Think Oscar Madison.

If there was a cardboard box, or boxes, of clean laundry for the killers to pillage, why was three times as much on the floor of Sue, Tina's, Sheila's bedroom? I've personally seen a dozen homes where shit was everywhere, and they would apparently choose what to clean from the floor. My understanding is the Seabolts' house was just that, but with 20x more clothes. So, clothes on the floor doesn't mean they didn't just do laundry for Monday, when the kids had to go back to school after Easter week off.

A week off. Mayhem in Keddie with kids running amok, mayhem in 28 with Sue doing no more than her usual minimum.

Usual minimum? doesn't the yardwork speak opposite to that sentiment? Or was Justin lying about the truth? Sue was outside telling her kids to clean the yard and, as soon as she returned to the TV butt-bombed couch, everyone split? Well, no tools in the yard, they were leaned up by the front door alcove window. And the HUGE LEAF BAGS Sue used to dispense drugs were just inde the front door, beside the small palm-type plant in the alcove behind the door- where the 3' bookstand stood.

We can't take the incongruities as certainties, as these were multiple humans with different lifestyles and one mom who apparently didn't give much of a fuck.

The socks, lots of the clothing in the living room doesn't belong there. And certainly not hosw it was found. Even if you dump a box of clothes and kick it around, it won't ever end up like the clothes found in the living room.

Let's say all clothes were found UNDER bodies. Not true. Look at my 3D recration. The only clothing found under a body was under SUE. And that's because Justin shifted, rolled her body from The Pose, and covered her. So all clothing found may have been sprinkled around. So find the clothing that had blood on it, emove that which we've seen none. What's left is shoes and shorts.

A few pairs of shoes left in the lr ain't uncommon. Couch, TV, kick off the shoes, get tired, go to your bed and sleep.

Again, I'm not sure what you're after Aus. Hopefully my take on the clothing is up the alley you're in.

What nobody seems to realize is a postmortem tool can't logically be deemed a weapon, and I believe the table leg/w4 was all postmortem. Thus, not a weapon.

[Ausgirl]

Did the coroner mention dark spots on Sue's legs?

[Dogfur]

Perhaps a flashlight was brought.

It just jumped into my head as a weapon 4 possibility-although I’ve no doubt it’s been considered before.
It would be pretty smartt for the marderers to bring a flashlight with the rest off their shit.

[sparkplug]

Did the coroner mention dark spots on Sue's legs?

Not sure, but I can tell you with 1000 percent certainty, the autopsies were not conducted like normal ones would be in 1981. Whether it was the "class" of the victims, just blatant disregard or a cover-up, I don't know. I do know they were complete BS.

[dmac]

Sheriff Thomas was the sheriff/coroner in Plumas. ZERO QUALIFICATIONS NEEDED. Just a fixed vote, just like Trump is America's Coroner in Chief. He showed up HOURS after the discovery of bodies. No core temp taken, no need, he was already in cover-up mode, sperm-seeking sucking off Crimely.

The bodies were eventually taken from the then-Anderson mortuary by Don Forcino to Sacramento for autopsy by a crew who gave no fucking clew they cared.

I've detailed many irregularities, omissions, and complete fuck-ups in the three autopsies. They were done in quick succession by a crew that didn't know shit, do shit, or seemingly give a shit.

Dana 9:50
Johnny 10:30
Long lunch, cocktails
Sue at 1:30

Sorry, but FUCK THAT. The biggest murder in local history is dumped and fucked by useless fuckers.

Mike and I argued early on, with him saying, "Not their crime, they were understaffed and overworked and Plumas gave them the Keddie Murders bodies", Sorry, we pay taxes for multibillion gangsters to play ball in the FUCK YOU stadium, and we can't afford real autopsies for one of the biggest murders in all written history?

Thank fuck Occam's Razor proved this case:

It must have been a sex-FUCK triad: Marty, Sue, Loon.

In fact, so it is. GODDAMMIT.

But they held Sue out to witness her family and friend being slaughtered, starting with Dana and Tina. This case has NOTHING to do with simple collateral damage. This is truly sick fucking shit, mates. I still believe Tina or Dana was first, both with a gagged Sue forced to witness the slaughter. Carried around by her hair, stepping in the blood pools, "See what you made us do?!"

[nekogirrl]

i have thought that since the first time i read that sue had stepped in blood....some dumb shit dragging her around, making sure she got a good look...and blaming her for everything....and when it came out that the "baggies" were really trash bags....i had an "i wonder" moment...i wonder if they put Tina in a trash bag...mostly so if they were seen taking her out of there, it would be harder to see it was a dead body they were carrying...among other things...of course, i should also mention that when i first read "baggies" i didnt think drugs...i thought,oh, they must have used them to clean up after the hamster....

[Boudreaux]

Again, 2 packs of Camels? Why doesn't Stoy's report find any Camel butts? Why no mention anywhere? It would be very odd for the killers to leave behind the packs but take the butts. Contradictory as hell, like much of their insanely stupid staging.

Dmac, thanks for this--there are so many details involved in this case and the posts that clear things up or point out things that need to be cleared up--they are very helpful for n00bs like me.

I often find myself thinking about the Camel pack(s). (Doesn't Stoy's report say "pack" and not "packs?") This may be in a discussion thread I haven't read yet, but I haven't found it. Question: did the Camel packs have any blood on them?

I'm wondering because if they did, the killers may have brought them; if not, is it possible, as someone else here suggest, that Marilyn left them to point at Marty? Was one pack open and the other still fresh? Did Marty stop for a smoke now and then when he wasn't butchering people? (Your Camel butts question above.) There is still a LOT I'm clueless about; thanks if anybody can help clear this up for me.

[dmac]

Sorry, they were Marlboro Reds. Marty's brand. Bo's brand. About 20,000,000 other people's brand. The key point is they weren't Sue's, as she smoked B&H. J&D wouldn't leave their smokes out for mom to see, much less where these packs were found AFTER the murders began.

No testing. No evidence. Gone. Coverup.

The pack on the couch was missing 3-5 smokes. Search the forum for 'laminar flow' as I explain it in depth.

The other pack was empty, crumpled, and twisted. Discarded on the bookshelf that separated the kitchen from the rest of the house.

Crumpled, twisted, like the bloody tissue found in the dumpster.

[budrfligh]

Observation - in the military you are trained to put out a cigg and pocket the but. You never causally toss em.

[Boudreaux]

Sorry, they were Marlboro Reds. ... The pack on the couch was missing 3-5 smokes. Search the forum for 'laminar flow' as I explain it in depth.

The other pack was empty, crumpled, and twisted. Discarded on the bookshelf that separated the kitchen from the rest of the house.

Thanks, man! There is so MUCH information on this case and a bunch of it seems to disagree with other information--very difficult for a newcomer to tell what's what some times! Thanks.

[Boudreaux]

Sorry, they were Marlboro Reds. ... The pack on the couch was missing 3-5 smokes. Search the forum for 'laminar flow' as I explain it in depth.

The other pack was empty, crumpled, and twisted. Discarded on the bookshelf that separated the kitchen from the rest of the house.

Thanks, man! There is so MUCH information on this case and a bunch of it seems to disagree with other information--very difficult for a newcomer to tell what's what some times! Thanks.

[Boudreaux]

The pack on the couch was missing 3-5 smokes. Search the forum for 'laminar flow' as I explain it in depth.

The other pack was empty, crumpled, and twisted. Discarded on the bookshelf that separated the kitchen from the rest of the house.

Thanks, Dmac! That thread with the "laminar flow" explanation, was VERY helpful. And it also showed me how much more I have to learn about this case. Heavens.

Plus, I'd have given my left you-know-what to have met Ronnie Lane, but that's another topic.