Dee Lake: Pick a Number between Three and X

[dmac]

This thread still gets a lot of traffic, and I believe it holds many of the keys which have unlocked proof of conspiracy behind the murders, as well as tying many people to the bundle of lies that is the Loonibi.

The Loonibi did not cover only Marty, Marilyn, and Bo.

Original post is here, the update is in blue.

[kmik]

Here is Dee Lake's interview from the documentary.

Because I was a veteran, Marty was a veteran, we happened to get together at school. And so it was at college that I met him and a friend of ours introduced us matter of fact, and uh the irony of that is he ended up introducing me to my best friend o of 30 something years so, yeah, cause he uh knew that a fellow that both of us played chess, and so that was originally how Marty and I met was through school.
So Marty and I decided to do our own toy drive that year, and uh, I could tell you a pro professional sales person in my background, uh the fellow was phenomenal, um I had to go somewhere out of town for a while and I said look what a you want to do, I'll either take care of the distributing them, or you take care of getting em, or what do you want, and he said, fine with me, so I come back and the entire armory, the room, was filled with brand new toys, not second hand stuff, brand new t..., I, the guy was amazing he could just talk anybody out of anything. Really.
QUESTION: DO YOU REMEMBER WHERE YOU FIRST WERE WHEN YOU HEARD ABOUT THE MURDERS
Yeah, I, I had stopped by, almost went by that evening, I lived in Indian Falls which is 12 miles away, and I used to hitch hike back and forth because I didn't have a car at the time, and, and I had got a ride down to Keddie and I had my son with me and it was just about getting dark and uh I decided no I'm not gonna go see, cause sometimes I'd get a ride with my other friend Mike who lived next, a couple doors away, and um, no I'll just wait for a minute and I ended up getting a ride to Indian Falls so um yeah I was in Indian Falls when I first heard about it.
QUESTION: HOW DID YOU HEAR ABOUT IT
Just uh, somebody uh, there were a couple of detective, sheriff guys that come to the door the next day cuz uh well, originally I wouldn't say it was the next day, somewhere in that time they came down to Indian Falls cause I work with the veteran community, and they were kinda concerned I think because of the way that things took place at the, um scene, that might a been connected to a veteran in some way, and showed me some composites, and uh I don't remember anybody um they didn't bring anybody to mind to me, directly, okay. I think it might a had something to do with they were tied, the way they were tied, or something like that, I don't know sometimes it can be you know, um if, if, if it was one or two people how they go about those things, I don't know what clues might a directed them to a specific but um, if I was to guess, I'd say first off it had something to do maybe with the way they were tied, cause there's certain knots and certain things military people use, you know I'm a demolition specialist, I was trained, okay, so you use certain kind of knots or things that might be used, I didn't you know I can't say that, but uh, okay? My main thing was in regards to Martin, you know cuz um I understand at the time there was a lot of speculation that Marty could a had something to do with this and that kind of thing, so um Marty's passed on, so oh uh, anything I share is like okay with him I'm sure, I'm, I'm sorry we were, we were good friends and it's hard for me to do this(gets choked up and has 2 gulps of drink from his cup-clears his throat) anyway, um, with, with Marty. When I was in the process after I'd first met him, I was working with the vet center over in Reno, um I was one of the first people to get a seminar over here on Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, um since that time, and working with the county for 10 years, I've been working with veterans probably since 1979 or '80, when I first did it because of just necessity, you know, and the more I learned the more I shared with other veterans and pretty soon other veterans were coming to me and asking me you know, well any way Marty was having some domestic problems around that time, him and his wife, and uh, his two boys were staying there that night also, so one time I can't tell you how far in between because again I can't remember the concise dates, alright, or uh time periods, but she came and asked me one time if I would consider taking him over to the VA MENTAL HEALTH facility um, over in Reno
QUESTON: MARTY'S Wife...
Marty's wife did, Marilyn okay, um at her request that I could take him over and get him an evaluation, and I says no, I can't do that, okay because, it has to be the individual, you have to one you gotta want help if need help, cause nobody can help you otherwise, alright, and #2- doing it at somebody else's request just isn't the reason to go, so anyway I said I'll tell ya what, if you'll talk to Marty about it and Marty decides that's what he needs to do, okay, then you have him ask me and I'll be more than happy to take him over there, so that's what happened, he, he decided well okay, I think it was to placate Marilyn okay, I'll go ahead and do this, so yeah, after his assessment and evaluation, um everything turned out fine there, uh some time shortly after the murders happened, um Marty and I got together and I can't remember where it was, it was here in Quincy somewhere, okay, and he says , Dee, they have over 30 pieces of evidence connecting me to this murder, what do you think I should do? Now my personal thought one of two things. I said well did ya do it, that was first thing that come to my mind, and then my second thought was well if you ask him that then that makes you an accessory there of or there after and you're gonna have to take responsibility for that, so not wanting to pass that boundary between friends, okay, um I didn't, I didn't ask him that, okay? And I says well if it was me have they, have they come and take you or give you a, a notice that you got a warrant out or any other responsibilities in regards to the, to the judicial system or anything? No. Well I'd get on the bus, gus. Uh your uh your mes.... your personal life's gone to hell anyway, you're not, you're not ever going to find a job here, schools about over, you've got no other future, alright, ya need to, to go somewhere else. I never believe Marty would have the intent, or purpose in his heart, or the capability of doing something like that, so again, in answer to his first question, not only did I not want to know, alright, if he had a told me that he had anything to do with it, the first thing I'd done is like anybody else would a said hey, then we need to go down and turn yourself in and let us deal with this I'll be with ya through the (chokes up again) through the whole process I don't care. So I know he knew he had a support system should and if he woulda had anything to do with it, okay, but personally just the way he asked me that question again, I don't think he had anything to do with it, I , and I just in my heart don't feel it. However, I will also add that the one thing I learned while I was going through college in law class was murder is the one thing that anybody is capable of, I don't care, dutten matter who there is no criterias for it, if you look back in the prior histories of the crime there is no common thread, none what so ever- dutten have to do with what status economically you are, uh, ethnically wise, nothing, there is no thread in involved. Somebody got stupid, did something stupid, that's usually what happens, uh I would love to see this resolved in my lifetime, and I believe it might be, I, ya know I never thought the Berlin Wall would come down in my lifetime, alright, but it did and I really believe that that's possible so um, I hope to God somewhere this, whatever programs they got, whatever publications they can do, that's why I was willing to do this personally, cause anything that they can do to help resolve this, I feel is a positive thing, okay?

Hopefully I didn't miss anything.

[dmac]

I was reminded of something niggling away at me that I keep forgetting to post- about Dee's car. This post meanders and quotes a few things to align facts and concepts, so hang on for a short ride.

From what we know, Marilyn & Marty & Dee agree Marty had Dee's car for a period of time before the murders. After the fateful ride to "Reno" (read: Camp Eighteen), Bo and Marty are both on foot: according to Mama Meeks, Marty was dropped off Sunday night and left her home on foot somewhere around 4 am Monday morning. Of course, Marty could have called Bo at 26 (or any number of "friends") to get a ride. Who would you call for a ride to Keddie in the middle of the night, without standing out- particularly hours after a quad? Someone already involved... Bo, Dee, Mike- hell, even Wade since he's The Taxi Driver and presumably right there (asleep with Loon!).

During the interview with Crimley, there is this exchange:

Bradley: That's not the car that you're driving is it?

John: No, that's Martin's. That's Martin's, I fly. Ya, I can't drive, I'm epileptic.

(Further indication Crimley visited with Bo and/or Marty at 26 before the interviews). But what car are they talking about? The red Pinto on blocks with the hood up? Doubtful. Dee's green Ford station wagon? The white Caddie with no plates? Another car? What we do know is, after the interview is complete, Bo hopped a Greyhound and Wade Meeks admits to being his taxi. The taxi ride doesn't prove Bo had no access to a car- including Dee's. Bo would still need a ride, unless he made arrangements to abandon Dee's car at the bus stop.

The crux of this post: Did Dee or someone else have Dee's car at any time Saturday / Sunday?

Smartt to Crimley: Most of the people around here are pretty poor. Few Keddie residents go to the bar because [of the prices]. They come like I do, once in a blue moon. If the car had been running we would have went to town.

They used the Keddie Bar as their alibi, the only public place for miles where they could be seen, repeatedly leave individually or in tandem, go to the crime scene, go home, come back, be seen again, be seen causing a scene over music (if it ever happened), etc. But did someone else have Dee's car? The first time Dee's car comes into play is AFTER the Crimley interviews, when Loon and Marty discuss with LE having Dee's car and the impossible debacle concerning Dee's 22 rifle.

The shortest route from Cabin 26 to Dee's home in Indian Valley is 6.7 miles, over the footbridge. That's about two hours of walking, if Dee had no ride. When Dee was contacted by PCSO on 4-22, he was asked if he was at Smartt's home on the 12th:

I was assigned to contact Dee Jay Lake at Indian Falls by AS/Shanks in that Lake's car was parked at Martin Smartt's residence on 4-12-81. I contacted Lake at his residence on Indian Falls Road (end of road) on 4-22-81. Lake told me that he was at Martin Smartt's residence because a few days prior to the 12th Martin Smartt's car wouldn't start due to a dead battery and Lake left him his car so he could use the battery out of it. A few days later, Lake remembered that he had his rifle in the car and went to Martin Smartt's residence to get it before some kids found it or it got stolen. Lake couldn't find the rifle in the car, so he asked Martin Smartt where it was. Martin Smartt said he didn't know anything about it. Two days later on the 10th, Martin Smartt called Lake and told him he located the rifle in his house and that "Bo" had taken it out of the car and put it in the house without Martin Smartt's knowledge. Lake went to Martin Smartt's the next morning (4-11-81) and took the rifle back to his home in Indian Falls. I looked at the rifle, a 22 cal., and there was no broken or missing parts on it.

Nowhere does it say where Dee was on Sunday. Of course, the entire story he gave LE is 100% preposterous and bogus. But why do LE not ask "WHERE WERE YOU ON SUNDAY?" or "WHEN DID YOU GET YOUR CAR BACK?" or "HOW STUPID ARE YOU TO LOAN YOUR CAR SO SOMEONE CAN BORROW THE BATTERY FOR A CAR UP ON BLOCKS IN THE FRONT YARD?!"

When Loon called PCSO about the BO IS DEAD letter in Aug 81, the resulting report says:

"8-12-81, 1400 hrs, Marilyn Smartt phoned and ...told me she had received info that a friend had received a letter from Martin Smartt and he had said Bo was dead. I asked who had received the letter and she told me Romona Lake of Indian Falls had told her that. I asked for and received the phone number where Romona could be contacted."

Presumably, Remona was still living with Dee at the time, at the same digs in Indian Falls. If they had a phone in Aug, it's likely they had one in April, but that's not always true. It's hard to keep bills paid, even if you are dealing. We should keep an eye out for any mention of who did and didn't have phones at the time.

We know Marty had a working phone, Sue had a working phone, presumably Dee had a working phone. Local phone calls were not kept in records by the phone company. Probably not anything to it, but we should keep an open mind to the idea Marty wasn't entirely lying when he said they would have avoided the Back Door Bar... if they'd had a working car.

PS- we must also consider the obvious: Perhaps the LE fail to mention Marty and Bo and Loon at the Back Door Bar is because because the eyewitness accounts were incriminating.

[budrfligh]

So many adults running, lying and covering tracks! In all fairness to the navy service personal I know they all study knots, regardless of their position. Most even have hanging on their walls different knots on a board. The simple fact he's mentioning them screams guilty conscious to me, back peddling if you will. Who in their right mind goes on about knots? My question isn't that he was complicit in a cover up, half the damn town is guilty of that, but rather what kind of knots were used to tie up the Vic's? Were they complex knots as described or simpler one. Does anyone know? Whoever committed these murders was a novice to murder. The fact they have escaped justice this long is not indicative of their prowess but sheer luck and with a little help from their friends.

[dmac]

budrfligh, don't forget Dee claimed LE only wanted to speak to him due to his military background and "knowledge of knots". That's a hyper-huge lie, as the report only shows PCSO slowly showed up weeks after the murders (AFTER Marty had already split town?!) due to Dee's license number/car tagged in front of 26 on Sunday the 12th. LE discussed the murders, mainly the use of the car and the missing 22 rifle, and Dee's thoughts on Marty and Bo as being the killers. Dee and his now-ex played along with the Loonnibi and showed them the "missing" .22 rifle, with the stock and sights on the barrel intact. That 22 is a huge lie, implicating Dee and Remona as INVOLVED.

Not once is the military brought up in the document, much less any discussion of knots. Not that it would, as LE lie a lot and don't report the majority of what happens during a call. But how many times has the military been brought up by LE in Keddie case files? Try zero.

Knots, my ass.

[Catcala]

In case I may have missed a post with this info sorry, but does anyone know what Dee Lake looked like back in 1981? I have seen slightly reddish hair and post about wearing a lot of camo clothes back then. Hair, was it long back then and his build. Was he very skinny? I am thinking skinny especially with his alleged use of speedy type drugs. Real curious of length of hair.

[Shellsbells]

Wanted to bump this in light of the new article. I think this thread has some good information in it.

I always thought it weird that someone would loan someone their car so that they could borrow the battery. Why go to the trouble of taking out the battery and putting in the other car? Just borrow the car to drive.

[lynabus]

well any way Marty was having some domestic problems around that time, him and his wife, and uh, his two boys were staying there that night also, so one time I can't tell you how far in between because again I can't remember the concise dates, alright, or uh time periods, but she came and asked me one time if I would consider taking him over to the VA MENTAL HEALTH

I thought Casey was home alone during the murders, but somehow Dee Lake says otherwise.

Side note: I made an oops and found the correct thread this should have been posted under. Sorry

[dmac]

There's been a lot of spec about where Casey was that night. My belief is he was left home alone, because this attack was planned and they didn't want to risk Casey being there.

[lynabus]

dmac,
I have reservations on Casey being home and the comment made about the popcorn.
I always thought that Tina came home and went to bed. I remember Jiffy pop back
in the day, I can't remember if microwave popcorn was around during this time and not
for sure if the Sharps had a microwave. No mention of Sue standing over the stove making the popcorn, so
who brought up the popcorn? POI's stated that popcorn...who ate the popcorn? 4 kids ate the popcorn
from what I just read.

[budrfligh]

I am reviewing the Dee Lake of pt 2 again. I am always struck by his terrible poker face. He turns beet red whenever he lies. Sadly it is often!!! I am thinking about reckoning.

[dmac]

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Every time Dee pokes his head out, he's like a turtle checking the weather. Every time I catch him, I cut his head off. Turtle soup, anyone?

[budrfligh]

Omg Dmac that's too good!! Ty for sharing the blast.

[dmac]

Here's Dee POSING with a rifle aboard a boat. I don't know if this is the Gompers or the larger Waddell, but the PLAIN FACT is Dee was a goddamned CLERK, a pencil-pusher! He spent 70-71 stationed aboard the repair vessel, Gompers, in San Diego Bay, with some time in Subic Bay and Japan. He then transferred to the Waddell. The whole of his "combat" experience was a brief exchange of fire near the N Vietnam DMZ in April, and again in mid-June, 1972. Dee was never involved in combat, and only a pussyboy bitch like Dee would pose like this (with a RIFLE on a destroyer support ship?! Who uses a rifle on a boat, other than to shoot oneself in the foot?):

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Here he is, recently sticking his limp worm in the water. Note how his beard is meant to look like a set of hairy balls to balance his penis head.

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http://www.myoutdoorbuddy.com/fishing_r ... hing=10993

[leenie963]

Has it been shown he did not have his son with him that day? I know he lies just by opening his mouth, and was wondering about that in particular.

I think it might a had something to do with they were tied, the way they were tied, or something like that, I don't know sometimes it can be you know, um if, if, if it was one or two people how they go about those things, I don't know what clues might a directed them to a specific but um, if I was to guess, I'd say first off it had something to do maybe with the way they were tied, cause there's certain knots and certain things military people use, you know I'm a demolition specialist, I was trained, okay, so you use certain kind of knots or things that might be used, I didn't you know I can't say that, but uh, okay?

Hunters, fishermen, mountain climbers, etc. know how to tie all sorts of knots. Who walks into a triple murder crime scene and deduces the knots had to have been done by a veteran? Unless there were D rings, sling loading helicopters, repelling knots etc. used to tie the victims I just don't see it. Furthermore, who the hell is Dee Lake to be on LE radar as an expert in knots and ligatures. Not that I'm privy to all the info here, but these knots were giving me the shits. And here I was stuck on the pink belt/tie/pink suit/ knots. It was this all along. (head meet keyboard) And this: "if, if, if it was one or two people how they go about those things" and "I was trained, okay, so you use certain kind of knots or things that might be used, I didn't you know I can't say that, but uh, okay?" Almost sounds like an admission, eh?

His entire demeanor, stuttering, running repetitive thoughts while skirting the issue/question is so obvious. I jotted notes while watching his interview and after a few pages I notice my writing getting larger and heavier with curse words for emphasis.

I never believe Marty would have the intent, or purpose in his heart, or the capability of doing something like that, so again, in answer to his first question, not only did I not want to know, alright, if he had a told me that he had anything to do with it, the first thing I'd done is like anybody else would a said hey, then we need to go down and turn yourself in and let us deal with this I'll be with ya through the (chokes up again) through the whole process I don't care.

I hope you get the whole process alright.

[dmac]

The info on Dee's son comes from the interview he did for the documentary. He said he was hitching with his son, but he also said he didn't have a car at the time. Whether he was referring to Marty having his car at the time, he doesn't make clear, but was IS clear is he was trying to be vague and to obfuscate the truth- as he always is. I don't believe it matters if Dee's son was with him that Saturday night. What's important to take away is, when adding up Dee's statements, he places himself in Keddie twice on Saturday, at Mike Davis' house, that his car was <supposedly> 200 feet away at Marty's (he'd already "retrieved his rifle" that morning), yet he didn't stop by to visit his best pal in the whole wide world?! Everything Dee says is a very incriminating smoke screen.

As for knots, he also stated he'd been trained in demolition... why he even brings that up is beyond me. It was pretty well known Dee had a hard-on for the VA, trying to get ever vet he met to claim PTSD. But, when it comes to knots, why weren't they looking for anyone who was in the Boy Scouts? For that matter, in Plumas, why not look for anyone raised near a barn?

[leenie963]

Agreed about those blasted knots.

I've 20+ years background with veterans and their issues. While PTSD is very real with our war veterans, in this case (thanks to your amazing research) it's not an issue. It's a matter of scamming the VA for disability. Shows the true character doesn't it? The demolition mention was nothing but bravado to the typical viewer who'd take his bullshit story at face value. See how important I am, I have credentials...that's what he's saying. Was he even a VSO for the county? (veteran's service officer) They are vetted now a days.

My interest in his son being there that day is it just seems there's a pattern of the main characters using children to hide behind. Sue supposedly looking for kids to spend the night that night to hide behind (which personally I just don't get-if you're afraid I'd lock and load or get the hell out) to Justin being in 28, and now this crapola with Dee Lake's interview. Just observations in my newboid mind.

[dmac]

The use of kids is all over the map. Dee's story of hitching home the 15 miles from Q to Dee's home in Indian Falls with a kid in tow makes absolutely ZERO sense, particularly when his story of loaning his car to Marty SO MARTY COULD BORROW THE BATTERY is a proven crock of sh*t. Then there's the true story of Marty hitch-hiking from Phoenix to the Pacific NW, with his pregnant first wife and 4.5 kids along for the ride. That alone says a buttload about Marty's character, and complete lack of parenting skills. When her water broke, they settled down where they were- Corvallis, OR. ook at how Marty and Loon dealt with kids. Not only did they kill three that night, they threatened the three remaining kids, and did unspeakable things to them... INCLUDING JUSTIN!

Sue's parenting skills were also questionable at best. Some say she was withdrawn, depressed, but I believe self-centerendess was a big part of the choices she made in the wake of being left to deal with five kids. In many ways, her choice was to ignore them. That may also be part of the reason she didn't act appropriately Sat night. If she felt something was up, and wanted more kids around because she was leery of only having Justin in the house, getting more kids in the house to ward off threats was as illogical and inappropriate as leaving Tina to fend for herself <aka 'business as usual'> in the wake of being molested the prior summer. We already know Tina was the only one left home, alone, for hours that very Saturday morning.

Check out how Mama Meeks dealt with kids. ANYTHING to protect her own kids, even at the expense of the dead and surviving victims. In the wake of the murders, she knew at least Marty was a killer, yet took in Loon, Marty, and the two boys.

Lots of crap going on, but I haven't seen kids ever come out as winners in this case.

[leenie963]

Wowza...being a parent doesn't come with instructions but FFS (for those not into cursing emphasis) it's truly about common sense. Argh!

I've been reading that gigantor thread of the Meeks... got handed a snit today and had to log off. However my notepad is at the ready along with my extensive worse than a sailor vocabulary.

That Meeks thread gives me worse than those dreaded knot shits...I just want to spit nails. How in the hell can ya'll stomach this year after decade(s)?! Just glad someone had the nads to call it out...COdmacUGH. Thankfully all you experts, current and lurking have done the victims and their family more justice than any LE involved. *hat tip*

[Zoe]

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Every time Dee pokes his head out, he's like a turtle checking the weather. Every time I catch him, I cut his head off. Turtle soup, anyone?

Did you notice he said he was "retired military?" Didn't he just serve one or two terms?